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[Posted on medium as well, better formatting](https://medium.com/@musatheredguard/bat-is-not-brave-8f4be1a77a58)\n\n\n**BAT is not Brave**\nAn evaluation of the Basic Attention Token\n\n\n**Overview**\n\n\nThe Brave browser is one of the few success stories of this crypto market cycle. The ad blocking, wallet enabled browser has only gotten better and better as time passes and it's now almost up to feature parity with major players like Chrome and Firefox.\n\nProminent influencers such as angel investor Naval Ravikant [claim to use it as their primary browser](https://twitter.com/naval/status/1069065492516679681).\n\n\nA key part of the Brave ecosystem is its native token, the Basic Attention Token(BAT).\n\n\n**High Expectations**\n\n\nAccording to the BAT whitepaper, BAT is meant to be used as a payment /rev share system in which users and publishers get BAT from an advertiser after they view an ad.\n\n\n\n[Visual Representation from the whitepaper](https://imgur.com/a/ScI3Ncy)\n\n\nBrave envisions a world in which users use BAT to pay for all kinds of digital services including \"high resolution photos, data services, or publisher applications\".\n\n\n**Harsh Reality Settles in**\n\nAfter reviewing BAT's token model, I have come to a few conclusions:\n\n\n1) General crypto mania coupled with unbridled enthusiasm about the Brave browser has led to wildly inflated valuations of BAT.\n\n\n2) Even in the best case scenario, BAT accrues minimal value long term.\n\n\n3) Even though the price of BAT has fallen significantly(86% since its all time high) during the bear market, it is still significantly overvalued compared to other payment only tokens.\n\n\nBecause of this, I started filling a long term short position in BAT. The purpose of this writing is to explain how I got to these conclusions.\n\n\n**A Favourable Retail Short**\n\n\nInvestors get a lot more rational during a bear market. They take a harder look at their portfolios and exit losing positions.\n\n\nFor the first time, it is possible for retail crypto investors to bring rational price discovery to ERC20 tokens like BAT by shorting them.\n\nThis is due to the availability of ERC20 token borrowing on [Compound Finance](https://compound.finance) and [Dharma](https://dharma.io/), both permissionless decentralized lending and borrowing protocols. These protocols have risks associated with them so use them wisely.\n\n\nThe rest of this writing will explain the reasoning behind the short.\n\n\n**Token Analysis**\n\n\n**BAT's Token Economics**\n\n\nBAT is a payment only cryptocurrency. The token economics of payment only tokens all but guarantee they cannot accrue value long term. [Much has been written about these payment tokens and the velocity problem](https://multicoin.capital/2017/12/08/understanding-token-velocity/).\n\n\nHere's the short version: Given the choice, any user of a service would want to pay for that service in the currency they are comfortable with. I.e People taking loans on Ethereum would prefer to pay for them in ETH or DAI.\n\n\n\nPayment only tokens force potential users to pay for services in the payment token. This is huge source of friction and represents an enormous hindrance to adoption. Potential users will simply turn to the competition if friction is high.\n\n\nEven users who persevere through this horrible UX will immediately exchange this token for a currency that they actually value. If there's no incentive to continue to hold this money, users will exchange it as fast as possible causing downward price pressure.\n\n\nTake note of the economic forces at play here:\n\n\n1) Brave, the service company, wants to reduce friction, improve UX and keep users from switching to another browser.\n\n\n2) Brave is incentivized to remove source of friction(the token) altogether or switch to a currency users actually want to use(such as ETH/DAI). \n\n\n3) Brave users do not want to hold the token so they sell it immediately, causing downward selling pressure.\n\n\n**Other payment only tokens feeling the pain**\n\n\nOther payment tokens are plagued by this issue. For example, let's look at Quantstamp, a smart contract auditing company. They did an ICO with their native token, QSP. \n\n\nQSP is a payment only token used by customers to pay for audits. [Turns out Quantstamp had been accepting USD or ETH as payment for audits instead of QSP](https://www.coindesk.com/quantstamp-defends-qsp-argues-us-dollars-ether-accepted-necessity). Its community was livid.\n\n\nQuantstamp put out a statement, saying:\n\n\n\"While Quantstamp has accepted QSP, USD, and Ether, the latter two are only accepted for our current offerings and out of client and customer necessity, as not everyone is currently capable of acquiring and using our token,\"\n\n\nTake note of the wording here.\n\n*Potential Quantstamp customers did not want to acquire their token to pay for services and they likely lost customers to competitors*. \n\n\nBrave's customers, advertisers, will not want to acquire BAT to pay for services.\n\nQuantstamp faced a choice and pragmatically chose their customers over token holders. I expect Brave to do the same.\n\n\nQSP is worth $0.015 at the time of this writing(12/12/2018). The circulating supply of QSP is ~600K, almost half of BAT's. \n\n\n[Yet BAT is currently trading at 10 times the value of QSP](https://messari.io/asset/basic-attention-token).\n\n\n**Macro Environment**\n\n\nThe regulatory environment in the US has become increasingly hostile to ICO issuers. The SEC has recently taken action against 2 ICO issuers for failing to register as securities offerings and they've shown no sign off slowing down.\n\n\nThis hostile regulatory environment is a mine field for ICO issuers like Brave.\n\n\nOn the one hand, they can claim their ICO token is a payment only token, more like airline miles or credits than a security. But by that definition, these \"airline mile tokens\" are inherently not valuable.\n\n\nAgain, ICO issuers face a choice, this time between token holders and regulators.\n\n\n**Conclusion**\n\n\nBrave is an innovative product that creates value for their users. Malicious and intrusive ads are a real pain point for users and Brave is solving that problem with smart ad blocking.\n\n\nBAT, on the other hand, is simply a fund raising tool that Brave used during the speculative bubble of 2017. \n\n\nAs the market matures and becomes more rational, payment only tokens like BAT will go to 0.\n","timely":true,"updates":32,"time":1544991509000,"first":1544994309882,"totalUpvotes":796,"score":804,"nReplies":147,"replyTo":"medium.com/@musatheredguard/bat-is-not-brave-8f4be1a77a58","replyType":"manual","html":"\u003cp>EDIT: \u003ca href=\"https://medium.com/@musatheredguard/bat-is-not-brave-8f4be1a77a58\">Posted on medium as well, better formatting\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>BAT is not Brave\u003c/strong>\nAn evaluation of the Basic Attention Token\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Overview\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>The Brave browser is one of the few success stories of this crypto market cycle. The ad blocking, wallet enabled browser has only gotten better and better as time passes and it's now almost up to feature parity with major players like Chrome and Firefox.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>Prominent influencers such as angel investor Naval Ravikant \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/naval/status/1069065492516679681\">claim to use it as their primary browser\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>A key part of the Brave ecosystem is its native token, the Basic Attention Token(BAT).\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>High Expectations\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>According to the BAT whitepaper, BAT is meant to be used as a payment /rev share system in which users and publishers get BAT from an advertiser after they view an ad.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://imgur.com/a/ScI3Ncy\">Visual Representation from the whitepaper\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>Brave envisions a world in which users use BAT to pay for all kinds of digital services including "high resolution photos, data services, or publisher applications".\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Harsh Reality Settles in\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>After reviewing BAT's token model, I have come to a few conclusions:\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>1) General crypto mania coupled with unbridled enthusiasm about the Brave browser has led to wildly inflated valuations of BAT.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>2) Even in the best case scenario, BAT accrues minimal value long term.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>3) Even though the price of BAT has fallen significantly(86% since its all time high) during the bear market, it is still significantly overvalued compared to other payment only tokens.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>Because of this, I started filling a long term short position in BAT. The purpose of this writing is to explain how I got to these conclusions.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>A Favourable Retail Short\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>Investors get a lot more rational during a bear market. They take a harder look at their portfolios and exit losing positions.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>For the first time, it is possible for retail crypto investors to bring rational price discovery to ERC20 tokens like BAT by shorting them.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>This is due to the availability of ERC20 token borrowing on \u003ca href=\"https://compound.finance\">Compound Finance\u003c/a> and \u003ca href=\"https://dharma.io/\">Dharma\u003c/a>, both permissionless decentralized lending and borrowing protocols. These protocols have risks associated with them so use them wisely.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>The rest of this writing will explain the reasoning behind the short.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Token Analysis\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>BAT's Token Economics\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>BAT is a payment only cryptocurrency. The token economics of payment only tokens all but guarantee they cannot accrue value long term. \u003ca href=\"https://multicoin.capital/2017/12/08/understanding-token-velocity/\">Much has been written about these payment tokens and the velocity problem\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>Here's the short version: Given the choice, any user of a service would want to pay for that service in the currency they are comfortable with. I.e People taking loans on Ethereum would prefer to pay for them in ETH or DAI.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>Payment only tokens force potential users to pay for services in the payment token. This is huge source of friction and represents an enormous hindrance to adoption. Potential users will simply turn to the competition if friction is high.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>Even users who persevere through this horrible UX will immediately exchange this token for a currency that they actually value. If there's no incentive to continue to hold this money, users will exchange it as fast as possible causing downward price pressure.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>Take note of the economic forces at play here:\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>1) Brave, the service company, wants to reduce friction, improve UX and keep users from switching to another browser.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>2) Brave is incentivized to remove source of friction(the token) altogether or switch to a currency users actually want to use(such as ETH/DAI). \u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>3) Brave users do not want to hold the token so they sell it immediately, causing downward selling pressure.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Other payment only tokens feeling the pain\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>Other payment tokens are plagued by this issue. For example, let's look at Quantstamp, a smart contract auditing company. They did an ICO with their native token, QSP. \u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>QSP is a payment only token used by customers to pay for audits. \u003ca href=\"https://www.coindesk.com/quantstamp-defends-qsp-argues-us-dollars-ether-accepted-necessity\">Turns out Quantstamp had been accepting USD or ETH as payment for audits instead of QSP\u003c/a>. Its community was livid.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>Quantstamp put out a statement, saying:\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>"While Quantstamp has accepted QSP, USD, and Ether, the latter two are only accepted for our current offerings and out of client and customer necessity, as not everyone is currently capable of acquiring and using our token,"\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>Take note of the wording here.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>\u003cem>Potential Quantstamp customers did not want to acquire their token to pay for services and they likely lost customers to competitors\u003c/em>. \u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>Brave's customers, advertisers, will not want to acquire BAT to pay for services.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>Quantstamp faced a choice and pragmatically chose their customers over token holders. I expect Brave to do the same.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>QSP is worth $0.015 at the time of this writing(12/12/2018). The circulating supply of QSP is ~600K, almost half of BAT's. \u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://messari.io/asset/basic-attention-token\">Yet BAT is currently trading at 10 times the value of QSP\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Macro Environment\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>The regulatory environment in the US has become increasingly hostile to ICO issuers. The SEC has recently taken action against 2 ICO issuers for failing to register as securities offerings and they've shown no sign off slowing down.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>This hostile regulatory environment is a mine field for ICO issuers like Brave.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>On the one hand, they can claim their ICO token is a payment only token, more like airline miles or credits than a security. 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off, we would like to give a massive thank you to anyone and everyone who reached out to us in the past week or with messages of support. I tried really hard to respond to every message but there were simply too many. Know that we read each and every one of them and if we didn't respond to you and you want a response, send the message again. It's been pretty chaotic but now that the dust has settled, we're in pretty high spirits. Now, onto the wall o' text! \n\n---\n\n# Better \"URI\" support\n\nYou can use query strings on the Send Transaction page in order to pre-fill in information for a user. We have always supported this but it's been updated to support sendMode and tokenSymbol:\n\n- **to=[address]**\n - default is empty\n- **value=[number]**\n - default is empty\n- **sendMode=0 | 1 | 2 | 4**\n - 0: ETH (Standard Transaction) 1: Only ETH 2: Only ETC 3: We have no freaking idea 4: Tokens\n - default is 0\n- **tokenSymbol = ARC | ICN | MKR | ....**\n - default is whatever the first token in the list is if sendMode is set to 4\n - BeerCoin and Unicorn are those words, sans emoji\n- **gasLimit=[number] OR gas=[number]**\n - default is 21000 and then estimated once a value is inserted. Get in the habit of using this though as our embedded send page will not estimateGas for users.\n- **data=[hex data]**\n - default is empty\n\n**Notes:**\n\n- Nothing is case sensitive. \n- All fields are optional.\n- Token Symbol takes priority over sendMode. So no need to include sendMode if you have a tokenSymbol\n- gasLimit takes priority over gas if both are included\n- Data can only be included in a standard transaction (sendMode=0). If another sendMode is specified, a warning displays for the user. \n\n**Example Links:**\n\n- Tokens: https://www.myetherwallet.com/?to=0x7cB57B5A97eAbe94205C07890BE4c1aD31E486A8&value=1&tokenSymbol=REP&gaslimit=50000#send-transaction\n\n- Standard TX: https://www.myetherwallet.com/?to=0x7cB57B5A97eAbe94205C07890BE4c1aD31E486A8&value=1&gaslimit=23000&data=0x5468616e6b20796f752c204d455720322e30#send-transaction\n\n- Only ETH TX: https://www.myetherwallet.com/?to=0x7cB57B5A97eAbe94205C07890BE4c1aD31E486A8&value=1.1&sendMode=1&gaslimit=60000#send-transaction\n\n\n---\n\n\n# Misc\n\nPressing the enter key will now unlock your wallet so you don't have to click the button. This has already saved me about 2000 button clicks. It's pretty much the best thing ever. \n\n\n---\n\n\n# The Hardfork\n\nOur backend is already set up for the hard fork so we're ready to roll no matter what. The only thing we are still contemplating is how to handle EIP-155 (replay safe TX / new TX signing method). We are ready to switch transaction signing to match the EIP-155 spec. However, we are trying to decide what to do with ETC. Here are the options:\n\n**Plan A:**\n\n- Standard Tx will follow EIP-155\n\n- Remove Send Only ETH\n\n- Remove Send Only ETC from site (until they implement their version of EIP-155?)\n\n- Tell people to use an old version of the repo (https://github.com/kvhnuke/etherwallet/releases/tag/v0.3.2.6) if they want to Send Only ETC.\n\n**Plan B:** \n\n- Standard Tx will follow EIP-155\n\n- Remove Send Only ETH\n\n- Send Only ETC will use old syntax to send via replay safe split contract\n\n**Plan C:**\n\n- Leave as is and don't use new transaction EIP-155 signing (until we have more information to make a decision.) \n\nPlan A is preferred simply because the Send Transaction controller is already a mess and keeping the old send transaction code makes the entire thing more messy. The problem with Plan A is I really don't feel like answering a bunch of emails from people who want to use the site to Send Only ETC.\n\nPlan C is only appealing to allow us to know if ETC is going to get on the EIP-155 train in a timely manner. If they aren't, we would go with plan A. The only thing worse than having messy code is having messy code indefinitely.\n\n\nWeigh in on which plan you hate the most and tell us what to do. \n\n\n---\n\n\n# Golem Crowdfund Analysis\n\nAs some of you are aware, we could not handle the traffic during the Golem crowdfund ~10 days ago. Up until the Golem sale, our server has occasionally crashed. The instances were few and far between and never happened at such inopportune moments. The first time we recall is when the DAO Token Creation started. Server crashed, we restarted, and everything was dandy in \u003c 5 minutes. When we were on the flight home from Devcon2, it crashed again. This time it was due to the network attacks. We restarted, everything was fine.\n\nSince we crashed during the DAO, our setup has changed completely. Everything was re-written in node.js, our servers have grown, and we have switched from geth to Parity.\n\nWhen we started receiving requests for supporting Golem and learned about the data value necessary to successfully participate in the crowdfund, we made a few changes in preparation. We increased size of our nodes, we added functionality to automatically add data when the Golem address was entered, we increased our gas *price* to 61, rather than the 21 we were using before, and we troubleshooted some issues regarding estimating gas when there is data. If you notice, some of these items are frontend items that have no affect on our node. That's because I was more worried about transactions not being mined or people forgetting to include the data. I'm not a server person. I'm a user experience person.\n\nWe expected there to be a increase in traffic, but not by this much. We went to sleep at 4:45am and my husband woke me up at 6:30am when he couldn't get a test transaction to send via his Ledger (fyi, if a TX has data you need to turn on contract data on your Ledger). When the token sale started and the balances started loading slowly, I knew there was a issue. But with contract at 50% of it's cap and the server not returning errors or giving a 503, there was nothing we could do. Restarting would have done nothing besides ensure than no transactions could go through.\n\nThe last 6 or so token sales have gone off without a hitch. We actually slept through most of them and I we received no reports upon waking of issues. The only reason we knew there was a token sale is there was a load of emails and tweets asking for adding that token as a default token. Golem was different, by a significant margin. \n\n### There are a few main factors that we believed contributed to the latency of our server: \n\n- We had combined \"Send Ether\" and \"Send Tokens\". This means that anyone wanting to send Ether also sent getBalance requests for tokens as well.\n- getTransactionData is 3 calls - it returns the nonce, balance, and gas price so you can make a transaction. This call is one of the more expensive calls and occurs when you are actually generating a transaction.\n- There were an insane amount of people attempting to send Ether and therefore calling getTransactionData and getBalance of ETH and Tokens in their account...all simultaneously.\n\nWe should take this time to point out that our servers didn't crash like we've seen before. Parity was fine and synced the entire time. The server didn't drop any requests. The problem was the time it took to deliver said requests. That is why some users reported pressing a button and it generating the transaction 12 seconds later. This is known as latency or lag in the backend world and happens when there are a buttload of requests in the queue. \n\nWe should also take the time to point out that our frontend (what you see) is *completely separate* from our backend servers that run Parity. The frontend is served via github / cloudflare and never goes down for that reason. So, unlike a more traditional site, reducing the size or format of the frontend plays no role in how our servers handle requests.\n\n### The Data\n\nhttp://i.imgur.com/HQHEBSK.jpg\n\n- **For the 7am-8am period, we had 708,490 requests.** Meaning, there were 708k requests for things like getBalance or getTransactionData.\n\n- 700k/hour gives us an average of **200 requests per second.** However, the crowdfund lasted less than 30 minutes, means it is likely that the number of requests per second was even higher during the initial 30 minutes than the latter 30 minutes.\n\n- There were **1264 unique visitors.** Unique visitors doesn't count the dude who has 3 or 4 tabs open or refreshes upwards of 10 times during that hour, nor does it count anyone not on the https://myetherwallet.com version of the site (e.g. local users, chrome extension users).\n\n- It took ~700 transactions to reach the cap. So \u003c700 people got to participate successfully. \n\n- It takes **0.065s to respond to a single getTransactionData call**.\n\n- It takes **~6.57s to process 950 simultaneous getTransactionData**\n\n- We can handle **900-950 simultaneous requests**. Once it goes above that, the server becomes unresponsive. \n\nAt the end of the day, that is an enormous amount of people and requests and far higher than we've seen before. I fully expected to run tests and discover that we were woefully unprepared and our servers fall embarrassingly short of what they should be. They don't. Our performance is not subpar, especially considering we have spent far less relative time perfecting our servers as we have other items on MyEtherWallet. That's not to say we can't be better - I just blame myself a tiny bit less after seeing the stats.\n\n### Changes to MyEtherWallet to prevent this from happening in the future\n\n1. Embeddable send page specifically for token sales / crowdfunds will be implemented. This will be similar to http://www.myetherwallet.com/embedded.html but for the send page. It will only accept URLs with query strings for sendMode or tokenSymbol and only load the ETH and/or selected token balance. It will not estimate gas. See the \"Better URI support\" section for details.\n\n2. Lightweight mode will be turned on automatically during high-traffic times. This will remove all balances from loading upon wallet unlock, and a user will need to click in order to view their ETH or Token balance.\n\n3. Changes to give user feedback on the status of their request, even when the server is under extreme load. Giving immediate feedback rather than giving users uninformative errors 30s after a request is sent. The fact this wasn't implemented long ago is fucking bonkers and we're sorry.\n\n4. Further upgrades to servers and implementation of a proper load balancer to support at least 2x what we current support.\n\n5. Setting up a \"premium\" page will act as another \"load balancer\". Transactions sent via this page will be sent via completely separate backend and only transactions with a fee paid to MyEtherWallet will be accepted. Since 99% of users don't pay, if you do you'll be part of the 1%, ensuring your transaction goes through. ;)\n\n6. Set up / write out an easier way to run MyEtherWallet connected to custom / local node.\n\n7. Explore decentralized server option where MyEtherWallet would connect to a list of trusted available nodes.\n\n\n### Recommendations\n\n**Our first set of recommendations are for people, like Golem, who are holding crowdfunds / token sales.**\n\n- Do anything you can to prevent a mad rush for tokens in a limited amount of time. If MyEtherWallet had operated flawlessly, there is a good chance the sale would have been over in \u003c5 minutes. ~700 people got in on the Golem sale via all methods of sending (mist, geth, MyEtherWallet.....). MyEtherWallet had 1200 unique visitors. This is not ideal.\n\n- Write up clean instructions on all the different ways a user can participate in your token sale. Don't recommend any one in particular.\n\n- Recommend your users have a contingency plan in place. Maybe MyEtherWallet goes down. Maybe Mist won't sync. Maybe your computer explodes. \n\n- Recommend they test far before the token sale and make sure everything goes as expected.\n\n- Recommend your users sign a transaction *before* the token sale begins and simply broadcast it during the token sale. This also allows the user to double-check their values in a calm environment and eliminates fat finger problems that can occur when the adrenaline is pumping.\n\n**If you are a user wanting to prepare for a sale you know will sell out fast....**\n\n- Have a contingency plan in place. Don't rely on any one method. Maybe MyEtherWallet goes down. Maybe Mist won't sync. Maybe your computer explodes. \n\n- Test far before the token sale and make sure everything goes as expected.\n\n- Sign a transaction *before* the token sale begins and simply broadcast it during the token sale.\n\n- Attempt to run a full node. Stop saying that you're the average user who doesn't need to run a full node. You aren't. You're part of Ethereum in the early days. Your feedback on all clients is valuable and necessary as the ecosystem grows. Get yourself set up and help debug the issues you had while getting set up. Parity and geth have vastly improved in both stability and sync times. Start from scratch after this hard fork and learn something new. \n\n---\n\ntl;dr: I don't blame you. I don't expect anyone to read this whole thing but didn't feel like making multiple posts. Read the section that pertains to what you care about...or comment some blasphemy without reading any of it. 😎","timely":true,"first":1479726303307,"url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/5e3alw/massive_myetherwalletcom_update_better_uris_the/","totalUpvotes":387,"nReplies":26,"score":391,"hasGhosts":true,"html":"\u003cp>First off, we would like to give a massive thank you to anyone and everyone who reached out to us in the past week or with messages of support. I tried really hard to respond to every message but there were simply too many. Know that we read each and every one of them and if we didn't respond to you and you want a response, send the message again. It's been pretty chaotic but now that the dust has settled, we're in pretty high spirits. Now, onto the wall o' text! \u003c/p>\n\n\u003chr/>\n\n\u003ch1>Better "URI" support\u003c/h1>\n\n\u003cp>You can use query strings on the Send Transaction page in order to pre-fill in information for a user. We have always supported this but it's been updated to support sendMode and tokenSymbol:\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>to=[address]\u003c/strong>\n\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>default is empty\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cstrong>value=[number]\u003c/strong>\n\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>default is empty\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli> \u003cstrong>sendMode=0 | 1 | 2 | 4\u003c/strong>\n\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>0: ETH (Standard Transaction) 1: Only ETH 2: Only ETC 3: We have no freaking idea 4: Tokens\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>default is 0\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli> \u003cstrong>tokenSymbol = ARC | ICN | MKR | ....\u003c/strong>\n\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>default is whatever the first token in the list is if sendMode is set to 4\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>BeerCoin and Unicorn are those words, sans emoji\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli> \u003cstrong>gasLimit=[number] OR gas=[number]\u003c/strong>\n\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>default is 21000 and then estimated once a value is inserted. Get in the habit of using this though as our embedded send page will not estimateGas for users.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli> \u003cstrong>data=[hex data]\u003c/strong>\n\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>default is empty\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Notes:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>Nothing is case sensitive. \u003c/li>\n\u003cli>All fields are optional.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Token Symbol takes priority over sendMode. So no need to include sendMode if you have a tokenSymbol\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>gasLimit takes priority over gas if both are included\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Data can only be included in a standard transaction (sendMode=0). If another sendMode is specified, a warning displays for the user. \u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Example Links:\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cp>Tokens: \u003ca href=\"https://www.myetherwallet.com/?to=0x7cB57B5A97eAbe94205C07890BE4c1aD31E486A8&value=1&tokenSymbol=REP&gaslimit=50000#send-transaction\">https://www.myetherwallet.com/?to=0x7cB57B5A97eAbe94205C07890BE4c1aD31E486A8&value=1&tokenSymbol=REP&gaslimit=50000#send-transaction\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cp>Standard TX: \u003ca href=\"https://www.myetherwallet.com/?to=0x7cB57B5A97eAbe94205C07890BE4c1aD31E486A8&value=1&gaslimit=23000&data=0x5468616e6b20796f752c204d455720322e30#send-transaction\">https://www.myetherwallet.com/?to=0x7cB57B5A97eAbe94205C07890BE4c1aD31E486A8&value=1&gaslimit=23000&data=0x5468616e6b20796f752c204d455720322e30#send-transaction\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cp>Only ETH TX: \u003ca href=\"https://www.myetherwallet.com/?to=0x7cB57B5A97eAbe94205C07890BE4c1aD31E486A8&value=1.1&sendMode=1&gaslimit=60000#send-transaction\">https://www.myetherwallet.com/?to=0x7cB57B5A97eAbe94205C07890BE4c1aD31E486A8&value=1.1&sendMode=1&gaslimit=60000#send-transaction\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\n\u003chr/>\n\n\u003ch1>Misc\u003c/h1>\n\n\u003cp>Pressing the enter key will now unlock your wallet so you don't have to click the button. This has already saved me about 2000 button clicks. It's pretty much the best thing ever. \u003c/p>\n\n\u003chr/>\n\n\u003ch1>The Hardfork\u003c/h1>\n\n\u003cp>Our backend is already set up for the hard fork so we're ready to roll no matter what. The only thing we are still contemplating is how to handle EIP-155 (replay safe TX / new TX signing method). We are ready to switch transaction signing to match the EIP-155 spec. However, we are trying to decide what to do with ETC. 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This time it was due to the network attacks. We restarted, everything was fine.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>Since we crashed during the DAO, our setup has changed completely. Everything was re-written in node.js, our servers have grown, and we have switched from geth to Parity.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>When we started receiving requests for supporting Golem and learned about the data value necessary to successfully participate in the crowdfund, we made a few changes in preparation. We increased size of our nodes, we added functionality to automatically add data when the Golem address was entered, we increased our gas \u003cem>price\u003c/em> to 61, rather than the 21 we were using before, and we troubleshooted some issues regarding estimating gas when there is data. If you notice, some of these items are frontend items that have no affect on our node. That's because I was more worried about transactions not being mined or people forgetting to include the data. I'm not a server person. I'm a user experience person.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>We expected there to be a increase in traffic, but not by this much. We went to sleep at 4:45am and my husband woke me up at 6:30am when he couldn't get a test transaction to send via his Ledger (fyi, if a TX has data you need to turn on contract data on your Ledger). When the token sale started and the balances started loading slowly, I knew there was a issue. But with contract at 50% of it's cap and the server not returning errors or giving a 503, there was nothing we could do. Restarting would have done nothing besides ensure than no transactions could go through.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>The last 6 or so token sales have gone off without a hitch. We actually slept through most of them and I we received no reports upon waking of issues. The only reason we knew there was a token sale is there was a load of emails and tweets asking for adding that token as a default token. Golem was different, by a significant margin. \u003c/p>\n\n\u003ch3>There are a few main factors that we believed contributed to the latency of our server:\u003c/h3>\n\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>We had combined "Send Ether" and "Send Tokens". This means that anyone wanting to send Ether also sent getBalance requests for tokens as well.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>getTransactionData is 3 calls - it returns the nonce, balance, and gas price so you can make a transaction. This call is one of the more expensive calls and occurs when you are actually generating a transaction.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>There were an insane amount of people attempting to send Ether and therefore calling getTransactionData and getBalance of ETH and Tokens in their account...all simultaneously.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\n\u003cp>We should take this time to point out that our servers didn't crash like we've seen before. Parity was fine and synced the entire time. The server didn't drop any requests. The problem was the time it took to deliver said requests. That is why some users reported pressing a button and it generating the transaction 12 seconds later. This is known as latency or lag in the backend world and happens when there are a buttload of requests in the queue. \u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>We should also take the time to point out that our frontend (what you see) is \u003cem>completely separate\u003c/em> from our backend servers that run Parity. The frontend is served via github / cloudflare and never goes down for that reason. So, unlike a more traditional site, reducing the size or format of the frontend plays no role in how our servers handle requests.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003ch3>The Data\u003c/h3>\n\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"http://i.imgur.com/HQHEBSK.jpg\">http://i.imgur.com/HQHEBSK.jpg\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cp>\u003cstrong>For the 7am-8am period, we had 708,490 requests.\u003c/strong> Meaning, there were 708k requests for things like getBalance or getTransactionData.\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cp>700k/hour gives us an average of \u003cstrong>200 requests per second.\u003c/strong> However, the crowdfund lasted less than 30 minutes, means it is likely that the number of requests per second was even higher during the initial 30 minutes than the latter 30 minutes.\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cp>There were \u003cstrong>1264 unique visitors.\u003c/strong> Unique visitors doesn't count the dude who has 3 or 4 tabs open or refreshes upwards of 10 times during that hour, nor does it count anyone not on the \u003ca href=\"https://myetherwallet.com\">https://myetherwallet.com\u003c/a> version of the site (e.g. local users, chrome extension users).\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cp>It took ~700 transactions to reach the cap. 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That's not to say we can't be better - I just blame myself a tiny bit less after seeing the stats.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003ch3>Changes to MyEtherWallet to prevent this from happening in the future\u003c/h3>\n\n\u003col>\n\u003cli>\u003cp>Embeddable send page specifically for token sales / crowdfunds will be implemented. This will be similar to \u003ca href=\"http://www.myetherwallet.com/embedded.html\">http://www.myetherwallet.com/embedded.html\u003c/a> but for the send page. It will only accept URLs with query strings for sendMode or tokenSymbol and only load the ETH and/or selected token balance. It will not estimate gas. See the "Better URI support" section for details.\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cp>Lightweight mode will be turned on automatically during high-traffic times. This will remove all balances from loading upon wallet unlock, and a user will need to click in order to view their ETH or Token balance.\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cp>Changes to give user feedback on the status of their request, even when the server is under extreme load. Giving immediate feedback rather than giving users uninformative errors 30s after a request is sent. The fact this wasn't implemented long ago is fucking bonkers and we're sorry.\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cp>Further upgrades to servers and implementation of a proper load balancer to support at least 2x what we current support.\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cp>Setting up a "premium" page will act as another "load balancer". Transactions sent via this page will be sent via completely separate backend and only transactions with a fee paid to MyEtherWallet will be accepted. Since 99% of users don't pay, if you do you'll be part of the 1%, ensuring your transaction goes through. ;)\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cp>Set up / write out an easier way to run MyEtherWallet connected to custom / local node.\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cp>Explore decentralized server option where MyEtherWallet would connect to a list of trusted available nodes.\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ol>\n\n\u003ch3>Recommendations\u003c/h3>\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>Our first set of recommendations are for people, like Golem, who are holding crowdfunds / token sales.\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cp>Do anything you can to prevent a mad rush for tokens in a limited amount of time. If MyEtherWallet had operated flawlessly, there is a good chance the sale would have been over in <5 minutes. ~700 people got in on the Golem sale via all methods of sending (mist, geth, MyEtherWallet.....). MyEtherWallet had 1200 unique visitors. This is not ideal.\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cp>Write up clean instructions on all the different ways a user can participate in your token sale. Don't recommend any one in particular.\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cp>Recommend your users have a contingency plan in place. Maybe MyEtherWallet goes down. Maybe Mist won't sync. Maybe your computer explodes. \u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cp>Recommend they test far before the token sale and make sure everything goes as expected.\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cp>Recommend your users sign a transaction \u003cem>before\u003c/em> the token sale begins and simply broadcast it during the token sale. This also allows the user to double-check their values in a calm environment and eliminates fat finger problems that can occur when the adrenaline is pumping.\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>If you are a user wanting to prepare for a sale you know will sell out fast....\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003cp>Have a contingency plan in place. Don't rely on any one method. Maybe MyEtherWallet goes down. Maybe Mist won't sync. Maybe your computer explodes. \u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cp>Test far before the token sale and make sure everything goes as expected.\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cp>Sign a transaction \u003cem>before\u003c/em> the token sale begins and simply broadcast it during the token sale.\u003c/p>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003cp>Attempt to run a full node. Stop saying that you're the average user who doesn't need to run a full node. You aren't. You're part of Ethereum in the early days. 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With $4.7 mln raised, they are certainly well positioned to appear as threat to other Blockchain platforms.” Already on a roll However, the CEO of Synereo, Dor Konforty claims that his company has received several applications already wanting to build on the company’s tech stack. This is as a result of the grant offered by Synereo to developers. Konforty says: “We are now in the final stage of interviews, and will soon be selecting the first projects that will receive AMP grants to build on Synereo’s tech stack. We have 300 applications and it has taken our team a while to go through them and to choose from many amazing development teams and projects. 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Rholang promises easy and faster smart contract programming, with fewer bugs which could be well received amongst the DAPP developer community.” says \u003ca href=\"https://uk.linkedin.com/in/bdogra\" target=\"_blank\">Baljeet Dogra\u003c/a>, a Blockchain consultant.\u003c/p> \u003cp>Synereo was initially \u003ca href=\"https://cointelegraph.com/news/steemit-or-synereo-comparing-decentralized-social-networks\" target=\"_blank\">known for its attempt to create a decentralized social network\u003c/a>, but with its recent announcement, the company has widened its operations considerably in order to develop its own Blockchain enabled\u003ca href=\"https://blog.synereo.com/2016/09/29/standing-on-the-shoulder-of-giants-synereos-full-tech-stack-explained/\"> decentralized computation platform\u003c/a>, capable of running all forms of decentralized applications, the company’s social network being one such application.\u003c/p> \u003cp>The \u003ca href=\"https://cointelegraph.com/news/synereo-unveils-tech-behind-its-decentralized-social-network-rchain-to-replace-blockchain\" target=\"_blank\">Tel-Aviv-based startup\u003c/a> claims to have raised more than $4.7 mln in a recently concluded fundraising process, \u003ca href=\"https://blog.synereo.com/2016/09/15/how-to-purchase-amps-during-the-synereo-fundraising-campaign/\" target=\"_blank\">selling both equity and AMPs\u003c/a> - the platform’s innate cryptocurrency. \u003c/p> \u003ch2>Too early to call\u003c/h2> \u003cp>The CTO of \u003ca href=\"http://www.proofofyou.com/\" target=\"_blank\">ProofOfYou\u003c/a>, Asse Sauga recognises the existence of Synereo’s RChain as being in the state of early development. He also identifies the many benefits in the development road map for Synereo as the fact that they employ produced and tested codes on the Blockchain scene.\u003c/p> \u003cp>Despite Ethereum’s relative stability so far, Sauga thinks that there is enough room for both entities to thrive within the Blockchain ecosystem.\u003c/p> \u003cp>Sauga states:\u003c/p> \u003cblockquote> \u003cp>“Ethereum is quite ahead with the development roadmap, business-cases community and partnership. However, there will be a lot of room for both in the market. Much depends on particular use cases. Synereo can be more social economy oriented, with the content management and large transaction volumes. Ethereum can be more high-end, business oriented platform with a different security level and different currencies. They both can successfully support each other as well, as they are now \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsMIFzUId4x-rGmX-Jrg8wtvTR1BYwvKb\" target=\"_blank\">collaborating on Casper\u003c/a>.”\u003c/p> \u003c/blockquote> \u003ch2>More than just money\u003c/h2> \u003cp>Beyond funds, Sauga explains to Cointelegraph that the ability for Synereo to achieve its set goals depends on how effective they can deal with potential challenges, how they operate as a team and how much they can actively involve the community. He agrees that the goals, ideas and technical proposals of Synereo are great, and now they just need to accomplish them.\u003c/p> \u003cp>“They have accomplished a lot up to this date with very little funding, so it looks positive,” says Sauga.\u003c/p> \u003cp>Sauga also affirms to Cointelegraph that Synereo’s new development will be a welcome scenario for creators of DApps. He observes that it will automatically imply the availability of various options for developers to choose from.\u003c/p> \u003cp>“Another player in the market is always welcome and adds effort into the whole ecosystem. DApp developers will have better options to choose the right platform for them. Synereo will definitely not be the last Blockchain computational software platform. But it may have some unique features,” he says.\u003c/p> \u003cp>However, Dogra’s opinion is that Synereo is already strategically placed to become relevant within the industry. He notes that the real world applications of Blockchain require smart contracts, and with Synereo’s user friendly integrated development environment and test framework, it is strategically positioned within the market.\u003c/p> \u003cp>He also tells Cointelegraph why he thinks that Synereo could become a potential threat within the industry. 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They aim to disrupt the HR, finance and recruitment industries with their upcoming platform. The startup has compared its platform to a mixture between Uber’s taxi contracts and Upwork’s freelancing platform. Using Blockchain technology, its team will be creating a website where people can find work and get paid with an alternative financial system that can transact Labour-Hour (LH) worldwide. Chronobank writes in a blog post: “Our goal is to make a difference in the way people find work and get rewarded for their labour, doing it decentralised and without the involvement of traditional financial institutions.” Their platform will be multi-Blockchain in order to allow multiple ways to trade LH, including the use of Bitcoin, Ethereum and NEM Blockchains. In addition, all LH is “backed by real labour.” Along with the Chronobank platform itself, the website has stated that it will be issuing LH debit cards after the release of the platform and, since it is a cryptocurrency, it does not experience inflation and allows exchanges to AUD, USD, EUR and GBP. Pros and cons of the project A time-based token system is something rather different because the most recent time-based currency attempt, Ithaca HOURs, was developed as far back as 1991. While it is still in use, it cannot beat the US dollar’s popularity. Chronobank might turn the tables with a time-based cryptocurrency. Since it pays people in hourly wages, compared to regular freelance websites such as Upwork that support payment in Bitcoin and PayPal, Chronobank will be reintroducing time-based currencies to the world and might well be the first Blockchain job market in the world. Recently, freelancing and contracts have become very popular among people due to increasing career diversity and with cryptocurrency also gaining popularity, Chronobank has perhaps put the right industries together for the future of freelancing and contract jobs. However, its closest competitors, Upwork, Fiverr and Elance, have thousands of users and offer similar services and payment options with Bitcoin support. With Bitcoin, employers can already send money across the world. Can Chronobank beat already popular freelance websites and job boards with a new payment system and change up the job market? ICO crowdfunding campaign According to Chronobank’s roadmap, they are going to be launching an ICO crowdfunding campaign in December 2016 after launching their new website this month. Since Chronobank itself is multi-Blockchain, Ethereum and Waves users can participate as well as Lisk, Ethereum Classic and Bitcoin users. After the ICO, they plan on launching the token itself in the second or fourth quarter of 2017 and have the platform released in 2018. Alexander Rugaev, CMO of Chronobank states: “We will be building awareness, not just around ChronoBank and its crowdfund, but more broadly about the idea and advantages of time-based currencies. We want people to understand that we’re serious, we’re experienced in Blockchain and the recruitment sectors, and we have the talent and backing to make this happen in a big way.”","html":"\u003cp>Chronobank.io, an Australian short-term work platform, is working on developing a Blockchain-based financial system for \u003ca href=\"https://cointelegraph.com/news/cointelegraph-unveils-fintech-and-blockchain-jobs-listing\" target=\"_blank\">freelancers or contractors\u003c/a> to obtain work and pay them in Chronobank’s own “labour-hour” token. They aim to disrupt the HR, \u003ca href=\"https://cointelegraph.com/news/incas-gold-and-bitcoin-story-of-inkapay-south-american-blockchain-platform-for-people\" target=\"_blank\">finance\u003c/a> and recruitment industries with their upcoming platform.\u003c/p> \u003cp>The startup has compared its platform to a mixture between Uber’s taxi contracts and Upwork’s freelancing platform. Using \u003ca href=\"https://cointelegraph.com/news/hewlett-packard-emphasizes-importance-potential-of-blockchain-decentralization\" target=\"_blank\">Blockchain technology\u003c/a>, its team will be creating a website where people can find work and get paid with an alternative financial system that can transact Labour-Hour (LH) worldwide.\u003c/p> \u003cp>Chronobank writes in a \u003ca href=\"https://blog.chronobank.io/chronobank-io-disrupting-hr-and-financial-industries-591bc98e8b4e#.ql2ytis2a\" target=\"_blank\">blog post\u003c/a>:\u003c/p> \u003cblockquote> \u003cp>“Our goal is to make a difference in the way people find work and get rewarded for their labour, doing it decentralised and without the involvement of traditional financial institutions.”\u003c/p> \u003c/blockquote> \u003cp>Their platform will be multi-Blockchain in order to allow multiple ways to trade LH, including the use of Bitcoin, Ethereum and NEM Blockchains. In addition, all LH is “backed by real labour.”\u003c/p> \u003cp>Along with the Chronobank platform itself, the website has stated that it will be issuing LH debit cards after the release of the platform and, since it is a cryptocurrency, it does not experience inflation and allows exchanges to AUD, USD, EUR and GBP.\u003c/p> \u003ch2>Pros and cons of the project\u003c/h2> \u003cp>A time-based token system is something rather different because the most recent time-based currency attempt, \u003ca href=\"http://ithacahours.com/\" target=\"_blank\">Ithaca HOURs\u003c/a>, was developed as far back as 1991. While it is still in use, it cannot beat the US dollar’s popularity.\u003c/p> \u003cp>Chronobank might turn the tables with a time-based cryptocurrency. Since it pays people in hourly wages, compared to regular freelance websites such as \u003ca href=\"https://www.upwork.com/\" target=\"_blank\">Upwork\u003c/a> that support payment in Bitcoin and PayPal, Chronobank will be reintroducing time-based currencies to the world and might well be the first Blockchain job market in the world.\u003c/p> \u003cp>Recently, freelancing and contracts have become very popular among people due to increasing career diversity and with cryptocurrency also gaining popularity, Chronobank has perhaps put the right industries together for the future of freelancing and contract jobs.\u003c/p> \u003cp>However, its closest competitors, Upwork, Fiverr and Elance, have thousands of users and offer similar services and payment options with Bitcoin support. With Bitcoin, employers can already send money across the world. Can Chronobank beat already popular freelance websites and job boards with a new payment system and change up the job market?\u003c/p> \u003ch2>ICO crowdfunding campaign\u003c/h2> \u003cp>According to Chronobank’s roadmap, they are going to be launching an ICO crowdfunding campaign in December 2016 after launching their new website this month. Since Chronobank itself is multi-Blockchain, Ethereum and Waves users can participate as well as Lisk, Ethereum Classic and Bitcoin users. After the ICO, they plan on launching the token itself in the second or fourth quarter of 2017 and have the platform released in 2018.\u003c/p> \u003cp>Alexander Rugaev, CMO of Chronobank states:\u003c/p> \u003cblockquote> \u003cp>“We will be building awareness, not just around ChronoBank and its crowdfund, but more broadly about the idea and advantages of time-based currencies. 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1.02l1.3 1.32a3.48 3.48 0 0 1 1 2.48c0 .58-.11 1.11-.37 1.6l-.02.02v.02l-.02.04c-.14.27-.35.54-.6.8L16.23 15l-.01.02-.01.02c-.44.42-.92.7-1.43.83a4.55 4.55 0 0 0 1.23-3.52L18 10.38c.18-.21.3-.42.35-.65a2.03 2.03 0 0 0-.01-.9 1.96 1.96 0 0 0-.36-.58l-1.3-1.3a1.49 1.49 0 0 0-1.06-.42c-.42 0-.77.14-1.06.4l-1.2 1.27-.8.8-1.16 1.15c-.08.08-.18.21-.29.4a1.66 1.66 0 0 0-.08 1.12l.02.03v.02l.06.14s.01.03.05.06l.06.13.02.02.01.02.01.02c.05.08.1.13.14.16l.47.5c0 .04-.02.09-.04.15l-.06.12-1.15 1.15-.1.08-.56-.56a2.3 2.3 0 0 0-.18-.19c-.02-.01-.02-.03-.02-.04l-.02-.02a.37.37 0 0 1-.1-.12c-.03-.03-.05-.04-.05-.06l-.1-.15-.02-.02-.02-.04-.08-.17v-.02a5.1 5.1 0 0 1-.28-.69 1.03 1.03 0 0 1-.04-.26c-.06-.23-.1-.46-.1-.7v.01z\" fill=\"#A8A8A8\">\u003c/path>\u003c/svg>\u003c/span>\u003c/button>\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003cdiv class=\"bl l\">\u003cdiv>\u003cdiv class=\"bk\" aria-hidden=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"11\" aria-labelledby=\"11\">\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/header>\u003cspan class=\"l\">\u003c/span>\u003csection>\u003cdiv>\u003cdiv class=\"es gk gl gm gn go\">\u003c/div>\u003cdiv class=\"gp gq gr gs gt\">\u003cdiv class=\"\">\u003ch1 id=\"c8d9\" class=\"pw-post-title gu gv gw bd gx gy gz ha hb hc hd he hf hg hh hi hj hk hl hm hn ho hp hq hr hs bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">The Crowdsale Analyst: Golem — Final Thoughts\u003c/h1>\u003c/div>\u003cp id=\"e372\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Golem is a very interesting project for many reasons with an end goal of building a decentralized supercomputer and a software service marketplace for the next generation of the web (web 3.0, aka the decentralised web). It’s very ambitious, they have an open and inclusive approach and in the end I think they will contribute a lot back to the Ethereum community.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"a82d\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">A few weeks ago they released a \u003ca class=\"ae ir\" href=\"https://blog.golemproject.net/golem-crowdfunding-whitepaper-draft-release-f5b7b8a0cb06#.62qpvo1kq\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">draft white paper\u003c/a> for the upcoming ICO and asked for feedback. That’s a great initiative in my opinion. No one knows (yet) the ultimate strategy and mechanics for crowdfundings that will give the right balance of information and expectations to participants as well as give the project the highest long term chance of success. Being open to improve this process is a great step forward.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"5a7c\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">The Golem team later published a \u003ca class=\"ae ir\" href=\"https://blog.golemproject.net/golem-crowdfunding-whitepaper-release-candidate-c817ebd911b#.ugltkyk9p\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">release candidate\u003c/a> of the white paper together with comments about the main points in my \u003ca class=\"ae ir\" href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/57x1oh/the_crowdsale_analyst_golem_preliminary_thoughts/\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">preliminary analysis\u003c/a>. Of course it makes me happy to see how they considered not only mine but also the other feedback they got during this process. Compared to the draft white paper the \u003ca class=\"ae ir\" href=\"https://golem.network/doc/Golemwhitepaper.pdf\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">final white paper\u003c/a> is vastly improved, it is easy to read and follow now and everyone slightly interested in Golem should read it from start to finish.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"8836\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">What I must make very clear is that I do not believe that the community should control what the Golem team (or any other team out there) should or should not do, they should make their own strategy, decisions and plans. But, this is a diverse and inclusive community with so many talented and skilled people in various fields that I truly believe that listening to constructive feedback can improve the projects and change them in positive ways.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"5881\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">I’m subjectively scoring each of the below categories from 0 to 5, where 3 should be neutral in the eyes of the crowdsale participant. Below 3 is bad for the investor and above 3 is good for the investor (and could be good for the project as well). At the end I’ll add a conclusion where I rate the whole ICO based on the combined information I have as negative, neutral or positive.\u003c/p>\u003ch1 id=\"3a73\" class=\"is it gw bd iu iv iw ix iy iz ja jb jc jd je jf jg jh ji jj jk jl jm jn jo jp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Project: The Golem Project\u003c/h1>\u003cp id=\"b985\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw jq hy hz ia jr ic id ie js ig ih ii jt ik il im ju io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">I earlier wrote that the easiest way to understand Golem is like a decentralised Amazon AWS service, well that was a bad description by me. Golem is something bigger and I see two main parts to it:\u003c/p>\u003col class=\"\">\u003cli id=\"d3f6\" class=\"jv jw gw hv b hw hx ia ib ie jx ii jy im jz iq ka kb kc kd bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">A decentralised marketplace for computer resources. In the design this includes services like Amazon AWS that could sell excess capacity (or all capacity) on the Golem marketplace, together with and in direct competition with resources from other cloud services, data centers and all the way down to end users with spare capacity.\u003c/li>\u003cli id=\"f0f5\" class=\"jv jw gw hv b hw ke ia kf ie kg ii kh im ki iq ka kb kc kd bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">A microservice platform and decentrlizaed software registry that will provide the computational resources needed for web 3.0 and other direct use cases.\u003c/li>\u003c/ol>\u003cp id=\"67bf\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">The current paradigm of Ethereum development (if we have one yet) is to build the complete decentralised application (smart contracts) on Ethereum and then use services like IPFS to add functionality that is not available on Ethereum. I share the future vision with Golem where Ethereum will handle only the parts needing consensus, immutability, transparency and accountability — in short the literal meaning of smart contracts. The other parts of the applications will be handled off-chain, by services such as Golem. Ethereum is not well suited for general software development (for efficiency, security and upgradability reasons). I can see how Golem could be an important piece of the puzzle that will give the smart contracts access to needed services and resources to scale out to fully decentralised platforms with possibility of almost unlimited capacity.\u003c/p>\u003ch1 id=\"e1c6\" class=\"is it gw bd iu iv iw ix iy iz ja jb jc jd je jf jg jh ji jj jk jl jm jn jo jp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Team/Founders 4/5\u003c/h1>\u003cp id=\"c531\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw jq hy hz ia jr ic id ie js ig ih ii jt ik il im ju io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">Do these guys have what it takes to succeed as entrepreneurs? Track record and previous projects? Experience and formal education?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"34eb\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">The Golem team is already at 12 people (up from 10 since the draft white paper). This means they already have a critical mass of people and will be able to scale their operations efficiently if/when raising a lot of funds. They mention a goal of growing the team to 20 people which is absolutely doable given their current size.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"8a04\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Since the release of the draft white paper they not only published a blog post about the founding team, but also added a very good section about them in the white paper for us that don’t know the team and founders since before. What is most important is that we now know that the founders both have startup, operational and business experience from running a company, while also having a track record of delivering advanced technological solutions.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"c727\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">The rest of the team they have gathered so far looks very competent, with great experience that already cover key parts of the technology stack and with people who’s contributions are known to the Ethereum community.\u003c/p>\u003ch1 id=\"af82\" class=\"is it gw bd iu iv iw ix iy iz ja jb jc jd je jf jg jh ji jj jk jl jm jn jo jp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Market Potential 4/5\u003c/h1>\u003cp id=\"4c6d\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw jq hy hz ia jr ic id ie js ig ih ii jt ik il im ju io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">The cloud compute market is a multi billion market dominated by large IT companies (such as Amazon, Google, Microsoft and IBM). On the IAAS (infrastructure-as-a-service) side Golems key advantage will be the possibility to offer a completely transparent market for compute resources. Since large scale data centers will compete with excess home capacity (where the marginal cost is more or less electricity), costs should go down and that will drive adoption. The problem is the tight integration and ecosystems of the other platforms. Amazon AWS does not only provide compute, storage and transfer. They have so many services built around this to create full stacks with connected networking, DNS services, shared files systems etc. All of this will probably be possible to replicate on Golem, but it will take time and considerate effort, and the switching cost from Amazon to Golem will be high.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"a913\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">For the SAAS (software-as-a-service) part of the service the key driver for the legacy cloudification market will be the openness of the software registry platform (and price of course). It is a very flexible system and it will be very interesting to see new payment and reimbursement models be built on top of the transaction framework.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"be9d\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">But, the software registry will also be a key piece of infrastructure for the decentralised web 3.0. If (when?) we see the decentralised web develop it will have profound implications for how we interact with the web we know today. This will create a completely new market where Golem will provide a key part of the infrastructure.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"68fa\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Also, because the possibilities and the vision is so big they will have a lot of work over the coming years to showcase and build solutions and concepts that showcase these possibilities. Without knowing too much about the detailed plans and skills of the Golem team, for me it seems like the first applications that will be available are either computer resources (as a Amazon EC2 marketplace) and on the software repository side microservice like applications that will run independently and handle direct requests or by working on job queues. To get into highly parallel applications that do distributed supercomputing (which I guess is the end goal) a LOT of work is required and this is a research field in itself. Maybe we will see third parties develop this, but it will take time.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"e58f\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">My main concern is the lack of a direct monetization plan. The Golem team will have around four years to figure out a viable monetization strategy which I don’t think will be a major concern. Building on their expertise with the platform I expect them to bring apps to the software registry themselves, and probably also find other income streams on the platform (such as escrow services, web 3.0 infrastructure services etc.). The ICO participants will get their tokens, and because there is no reissuance of tokens they should appreciate in value as usage of the Golem platform grows.\u003c/p>\u003ch1 id=\"595b\" class=\"is it gw bd iu iv iw ix iy iz ja jb jc jd je jf jg jh ji jj jk jl jm jn jo jp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Product/Business/Operating Plan 4/5\u003c/h1>\u003cp id=\"2ff3\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw jq hy hz ia jr ic id ie js ig ih ii jt ik il im ju io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">Proof of concept available? How many iterations are done? MVP available? Is the product validated by outside users? 4/5\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>They have an alpha release available \u003ca class=\"ae ir\" href=\"https://github.com/imapp-pl/golem\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">github\u003c/a> with a working implementation of distributed Blender/LuxRender rendering, which will also be the first public use case.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"f285\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">What is the current operating plan and why do they need funding *now*? 4/5\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>Up until now the Golem project has been privately funded. From what I understand they have now reached the first proof of concept stage and to scale out and finance continued accelerated development they need additional funding. Also, because the Golem is built as a network a crowdsale in the proposed form is also a very good way to bootstrap the network of potential requestors, providers and software developers.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"8cde\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">What is the go-to market strategy? 5/5\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>This is one of the sections that is vastly improved in the final white paper and is now by far the best in any ICO/white paper I’ve read. It’s not too elaborate, but very much to the point. We are given an overall market strategy and for each of the four major milestones the main objectives and value proposition for that release and how this relates to each of the major stakeholders in the network (requestors, providers, software developers). Even if this was internally clear before I think it’s hugely important to show to us as potential investors. At least to me this explains the purpose of each release and what we can expect in a much clearer way than the feature propositions.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"e3f9\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">Roadmap 4/5\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>This is another section that is so much improved. It is impossible to estimate and promise exactly what will be delivered several years from now in a project like this, but it gives us a much better understanding and helps us set the right expectations for the long term development of the project. So not only is it good for potential ICO participants, but also for the long term value of the token itself.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"c9bc\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Brass Golem — 6 months after crowdfund \u003cbr>Clay Golem — 6–15 months (depending on scope and financing level reached) \u003cbr>Stone Golem — 15–24 months \u003cbr>Iron Golem — 24–48 months\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"717d\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Depending on the level of financing reached the scope for each release will be adjusted, with extra features built in. I cannot say of this is realistic or not, but it seems they have made a considerate effort to realistically estimate each release. What is important for all potential investors to understand is that this is a multi year project, and with this roadmap this should be very clear.\u003c/p>\u003ch1 id=\"6bfd\" class=\"is it gw bd iu iv iw ix iy iz ja jb jc jd je jf jg jh ji jj jk jl jm jn jo jp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Competition 3/5\u003c/h1>\u003cp id=\"419a\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw jq hy hz ia jr ic id ie js ig ih ii jt ik il im ju io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">Do they have a clear view of the competition? How do they plan to beat them? 3/5\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"7182\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Clearly they know about the other cloud PAAS and IAAS providers. Instead of addressing the competitors directly, they describe how Golem will be a more efficient and competitive market, the potential and benefits of the application repository and web 3.0 infrastructure. They don’t address the competitors directly, which is why I score this section neutral (3).\u003c/p>\u003ch1 id=\"a68a\" class=\"is it gw bd iu iv iw ix iy iz ja jb jc jd je jf jg jh ji jj jk jl jm jn jo jp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Valuation 3/5\u003c/h1>\u003cp id=\"37ea\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw jq hy hz ia jr ic id ie js ig ih ii jt ik il im ju io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">Is valuation sane? 3/5\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>They will be raising between 150 000 and 820 000 ether, with 6 % going to the founders and an additional 12 % to Golem Factory GmbH. This puts a maximum current value of Golem to 1 000 000 ether or roughly 12 million USD. This is a lot of money, but it includes the funds raised and a team of 10 people that I believe already have worked around a year on the project which is why I score it neutral.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"2f7e\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">Crowdsale and token structure 3/5\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>I think the crowdfund structure as described is neutral (not worse than the other recent successful ICOs, but not better either). There are still a couple of points that I would have liked to be be different from the eyes of an investor:\u003c/p>\u003cul class=\"\">\u003cli id=\"c243\" class=\"jv jw gw hv b hw hx ia ib ie jx ii jy im jz iq kj kb kc kd bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">All money is available upfront, there is no safety mechanism if something happens in the project. I would have liked a yearly progress fund release schedule (or a third at a time), with the investors being able to halt the next payout in case of some grave mishandling\u003c/li>\u003cli id=\"2bec\" class=\"jv jw gw hv b hw ke ia kf ie kg ii kh im ki iq kj kb kc kd bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">No vesting for the founders — at least it’s not clear if the team and founders are vesting their tokens. I hope we will see a standard emerge where teams and investors always vest their tokens for at least 2 years, with a 6 month cliff (meaning no tokens at all for the first 6 months). In Golem they have a 6 month holding period (i.e. cliff) but no vesting after that\u003c/li>\u003cli id=\"f0b2\" class=\"jv jw gw hv b hw ke ia kf ie kg ii kh im ki iq kj kb kc kd bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Unclear strategy to raise more funds if needed (there is a token upgrade option, but unclear how that will be used)\u003c/li>\u003c/ul>\u003cp id=\"4404\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">The three points above are not unique to Golem, but very standard practice in the venture capital world and something the crypto world should adapt as soon as possible.\u003c/p>\u003ch1 id=\"92a9\" class=\"is it gw bd iu iv iw ix iy iz ja jb jc jd je jf jg jh ji jj jk jl jm jn jo jp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Legality 4/5\u003c/h1>\u003cp id=\"b73e\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw jq hy hz ia jr ic id ie js ig ih ii jt ik il im ju io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">As an investor? 4/5\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>The short version is that the GNT token is used in much the same way as Ether (for gas) in the Ethereum ecosystem. Also, they use the same incorporation structure with a company based in Switzerland that controls the funds from the crowdsale and the holding company in turn employs various contractors for development and the completion of the project. If it works for the Ethereum foundation it will work for Golem as well.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"81b2\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">The longer version can be read in the 8 page [GNT Terms Document](\u003ca class=\"ae ir\" href=\"https://golem.network/doc/GNTterms.pdf\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">https://golem.network/doc/GNTterms.pdf\u003c/a>).\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"890a\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Recently I’ve seen a lot of discussions around ICOs and their legality in relation to the US SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission) rules. Remember, Golem Factory is a European company controlled by European citizens, the SEC has no jurisdictions there and it’s up to each participant to figure out if they are allowed to back this project or not.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"a9d3\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">Legality of the business 4/5\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>Should be the same as other cloud computing operators, so nothing special.\u003c/p>\u003ch1 id=\"0c52\" class=\"is it gw bd iu iv iw ix iy iz ja jb jc jd je jf jg jh ji jj jk jl jm jn jo jp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Security 4/5\u003c/h1>\u003cp id=\"3fa0\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw jq hy hz ia jr ic id ie js ig ih ii jt ik il im ju io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">Proof of external security evaluation? 3/5\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>Each major release will be audited by external auditors, and a significant amount of funds are set aside for this. In the \u003ca class=\"ae ir\" href=\"https://golem.network/doc/GNTterms.pdf\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">GNT terms document\u003c/a> they state the code is audited (I assume the GNT token contract code), but I have not seen a public report on it. But, all development of the Golem project is pushed to their public GitHub page, it has been publicly available for at least 10 months so no secrets there.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"6032\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">Special security needs for this project? 4/5\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>Throughout the text they describe the complexity of a project like Golem and many different security implementations they are planning, so all investors should be very well aware of this. That is really good. This is bleeding edge technology that is not developed yet, and making sure that we as outsiders really understand this is good. As I wrote earlier, I think the security needs of this project are as high or even higher than for the Ethereum project itself. We already see that there are many different security solutions being planned on different levels of the platform, and they have a cautious release plan that will hopefully discover and iron out lots of the security exploits and issues as the following releases are being developed.\u003c/p>\u003ch1 id=\"c91f\" class=\"is it gw bd iu iv iw ix iy iz ja jb jc jd je jf jg jh ji jj jk jl jm jn jo jp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Conclusion — Positive\u003c/h1>\u003cp id=\"32fd\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw jq hy hz ia jr ic id ie js ig ih ii jt ik il im ju io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Golem is a very interesting project and in my opinion the white paper is the best ICO white paper released so far. The paper is well balanced and the project itself is fantastically ambitious that use blockchain technology not only to disrupt a huge (and growing) established market, but could also enable a key part of the needed infrastructure for the fully decentralised and autonomous web 3.0.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"a348\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">What I also like and respect is the open and transparent approach they have used since the project start. We as outsiders should not control the project and the team should not act based on wishes from the community. But, they are open and ask for feedback, and when feedback is given they clearly consider it and act on it in order to improve. They have an active blog and from what I have seen so far I am very positive that they will contribute back to the Ethereum community outside of just the Golem project.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"0233\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Just one example that I personally think speaks very highly of their capacity is the blog post about writing the \u003ca class=\"ae ir\" href=\"https://blog.golemproject.net/gnt-crowdfunding-contract-in-pictures-d6b5a2e69150#.2idvuis3g\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">GNT Crowdfunding Contract\u003c/a>. It’s an easy read and this is the best 7 minute introduction to professional software development that I have seen. If you want to know the difference between bedroom hacking and software development this post is well worth a few minutes of your time.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"6c61\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">In my preliminary analysis I had some concluding points where I wanted to see improvement and more information. Let’s review these points:\u003c/p>\u003cul class=\"\">\u003cli id=\"9f29\" class=\"jv jw gw hv b hw hx ia ib ie jx ii jy im jz iq kj kb kc kd bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">More and better team info — not only did they include team info, but also some very good rationale for their team selection, overall team background and achievements and they have also recruited since the draft white paper\u003c/li>\u003cli id=\"dc5d\" class=\"jv jw gw hv b hw ke ia kf ie kg ii kh im ki iq kj kb kc kd bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Budget — the min and max cap size differ around 5 times. We now have a much better understanding for how they plan to spend the funds, and how different funding levels will affect the planned scope of the Golem project\u003c/li>\u003cli id=\"d882\" class=\"jv jw gw hv b hw ke ia kf ie kg ii kh im ki iq kj kb kc kd bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">A market strategy is needed — the go-to market strategy in integrated into the paper giving a much better understanding of the project and the rationale for each milestone. This was a huge improvement and something I hope other projects will learn from\u003c/li>\u003cli id=\"4162\" class=\"jv jw gw hv b hw ke ia kf ie kg ii kh im ki iq kj kb kc kd bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">I hope to see some external due diligence of code they have published so far — I still hope that someone better at software development than me will review the code (that is publicly available) and post something about the perceived quality level. The positive side is the blog post mentioned above and the planned security reviews\u003c/li>\u003cli id=\"0801\" class=\"jv jw gw hv b hw ke ia kf ie kg ii kh im ki iq kj kb kc kd bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">A much better roadmap is needed — we got it, and I think they really hit the sweet spot of detail in this as the future will be very uncertain\u003c/li>\u003cli id=\"c61a\" class=\"jv jw gw hv b hw ke ia kf ie kg ii kh im ki iq kj kb kc kd bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">The crowdsale strategy could be improved — all funds are still available upfront and there is no vesting schedule for the team, founders and early investors (although there is a 6 month cliff)\u003c/li>\u003cli id=\"2310\" class=\"jv jw gw hv b hw ke ia kf ie kg ii kh im ki iq kj kb kc kd bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">More and deeper security discussions are needed, along with time tables — check on this. Everyone reading the white paper should understand it will take several years to deliver on the vision of the Iron Golem and the complexity of a project like this\u003c/li>\u003c/ul>\u003cp id=\"792b\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">So, point by point they made huge improvements (except for immediate release of all funds) and with the disposition and layout also much improved I think this project is now much easier to understand and to evaluate. I strongly encourage everyone interested in the crowdsale to read it and make up their own mind. 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It is a very flexible system and it will be very interesting to see new payment and reimbursement models be built on top of the transaction framework.\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_19\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_19\",\"name\":\"be9d\",\"type\":\"P\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"But, the software registry will also be a key piece of infrastructure for the decentralised web 3.0. If (when?) we see the decentralised web develop it will have profound implications for how we interact with the web we know today. 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To get into highly parallel applications that do distributed supercomputing (which I guess is the end goal) a LOT of work is required and this is a research field in itself. Maybe we will see third parties develop this, but it will take time.\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_21\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_21\",\"name\":\"e58f\",\"type\":\"P\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"My main concern is the lack of a direct monetization plan. The Golem team will have around four years to figure out a viable monetization strategy which I don’t think will be a major concern. Building on their expertise with the platform I expect them to bring apps to the software registry themselves, and probably also find other income streams on the platform (such as escrow services, web 3.0 infrastructure services etc.). The ICO participants will get their tokens, and because there is no reissuance of tokens they should appreciate in value as usage of the Golem platform grows.\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_22\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_22\",\"name\":\"595b\",\"type\":\"H3\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"Product\\u002FBusiness\\u002FOperating Plan 4\\u002F5\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_23\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_23\",\"name\":\"2ff3\",\"type\":\"P\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"Proof of concept available? How many iterations are done? MVP available? Is the product validated by outside users? 4\\u002F5\\nThey have an alpha release available github with a working implementation of distributed Blender\\u002FLuxRender rendering, which will also be the first public use case.\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[{\"__typename\":\"Markup\",\"type\":\"A\",\"start\":157,\"end\":163,\"href\":\"https:\\u002F\\u002Fgithub.com\\u002Fimapp-pl\\u002Fgolem\",\"anchorType\":\"LINK\",\"userId\":null,\"linkMetadata\":null},{\"__typename\":\"Markup\",\"type\":\"STRONG\",\"start\":0,\"end\":119,\"href\":null,\"anchorType\":null,\"userId\":null,\"linkMetadata\":null}],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_24\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_24\",\"name\":\"f285\",\"type\":\"P\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"What is the current operating plan and why do they need funding *now*? 4\\u002F5\\nUp until now the Golem project has been privately funded. From what I understand they have now reached the first proof of concept stage and to scale out and finance continued accelerated development they need additional funding. Also, because the Golem is built as a network a crowdsale in the proposed form is also a very good way to bootstrap the network of potential requestors, providers and software developers.\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[{\"__typename\":\"Markup\",\"type\":\"STRONG\",\"start\":0,\"end\":74,\"href\":null,\"anchorType\":null,\"userId\":null,\"linkMetadata\":null}],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_25\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_25\",\"name\":\"8cde\",\"type\":\"P\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"What is the go-to market strategy? 5\\u002F5\\nThis is one of the sections that is vastly improved in the final white paper and is now by far the best in any ICO\\u002Fwhite paper I’ve read. It’s not too elaborate, but very much to the point. We are given an overall market strategy and for each of the four major milestones the main objectives and value proposition for that release and how this relates to each of the major stakeholders in the network (requestors, providers, software developers). Even if this was internally clear before I think it’s hugely important to show to us as potential investors. At least to me this explains the purpose of each release and what we can expect in a much clearer way than the feature propositions.\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[{\"__typename\":\"Markup\",\"type\":\"STRONG\",\"start\":0,\"end\":38,\"href\":null,\"anchorType\":null,\"userId\":null,\"linkMetadata\":null}],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_26\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_26\",\"name\":\"e3f9\",\"type\":\"P\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"Roadmap 4\\u002F5\\nThis is another section that is so much improved. It is impossible to estimate and promise exactly what will be delivered several years from now in a project like this, but it gives us a much better understanding and helps us set the right expectations for the long term development of the project. So not only is it good for potential ICO participants, but also for the long term value of the token itself.\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[{\"__typename\":\"Markup\",\"type\":\"STRONG\",\"start\":0,\"end\":11,\"href\":null,\"anchorType\":null,\"userId\":null,\"linkMetadata\":null}],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_27\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_27\",\"name\":\"c9bc\",\"type\":\"P\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"Brass Golem — 6 months after crowdfund \\nClay Golem — 6–15 months (depending on scope and financing level reached) \\nStone Golem — 15–24 months \\nIron Golem — 24–48 months\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_28\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_28\",\"name\":\"717d\",\"type\":\"P\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"Depending on the level of financing reached the scope for each release will be adjusted, with extra features built in. I cannot say of this is realistic or not, but it seems they have made a considerate effort to realistically estimate each release. What is important for all potential investors to understand is that this is a multi year project, and with this roadmap this should be very clear.\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_29\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_29\",\"name\":\"6bfd\",\"type\":\"H3\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"Competition 3\\u002F5\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_30\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_30\",\"name\":\"419a\",\"type\":\"P\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"Do they have a clear view of the competition? How do they plan to beat them? 3\\u002F5\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[{\"__typename\":\"Markup\",\"type\":\"STRONG\",\"start\":0,\"end\":80,\"href\":null,\"anchorType\":null,\"userId\":null,\"linkMetadata\":null}],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_31\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_31\",\"name\":\"7182\",\"type\":\"P\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"Clearly they know about the other cloud PAAS and IAAS providers. Instead of addressing the competitors directly, they describe how Golem will be a more efficient and competitive market, the potential and benefits of the application repository and web 3.0 infrastructure. They don’t address the competitors directly, which is why I score this section neutral (3).\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_32\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_32\",\"name\":\"a68a\",\"type\":\"H3\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"Valuation 3\\u002F5\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_33\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_33\",\"name\":\"37ea\",\"type\":\"P\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"Is valuation sane? 3\\u002F5\\nThey will be raising between 150 000 and 820 000 ether, with 6 % going to the founders and an additional 12 % to Golem Factory GmbH. This puts a maximum current value of Golem to 1 000 000 ether or roughly 12 million USD. This is a lot of money, but it includes the funds raised and a team of 10 people that I believe already have worked around a year on the project which is why I score it neutral.\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[{\"__typename\":\"Markup\",\"type\":\"STRONG\",\"start\":0,\"end\":22,\"href\":null,\"anchorType\":null,\"userId\":null,\"linkMetadata\":null}],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_34\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_34\",\"name\":\"2f7e\",\"type\":\"P\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"Crowdsale and token structure 3\\u002F5\\nI think the crowdfund structure as described is neutral (not worse than the other recent successful ICOs, but not better either). There are still a couple of points that I would have liked to be be different from the eyes of an investor:\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[{\"__typename\":\"Markup\",\"type\":\"STRONG\",\"start\":0,\"end\":33,\"href\":null,\"anchorType\":null,\"userId\":null,\"linkMetadata\":null}],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_35\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_35\",\"name\":\"c243\",\"type\":\"ULI\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"All money is available upfront, there is no safety mechanism if something happens in the project. I would have liked a yearly progress fund release schedule (or a third at a time), with the investors being able to halt the next payout in case of some grave mishandling\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_36\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_36\",\"name\":\"2bec\",\"type\":\"ULI\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"No vesting for the founders — at least it’s not clear if the team and founders are vesting their tokens. I hope we will see a standard emerge where teams and investors always vest their tokens for at least 2 years, with a 6 month cliff (meaning no tokens at all for the first 6 months). In Golem they have a 6 month holding period (i.e. cliff) but no vesting after that\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_37\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_37\",\"name\":\"f0b2\",\"type\":\"ULI\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"Unclear strategy to raise more funds if needed (there is a token upgrade option, but unclear how that will be used)\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_38\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_38\",\"name\":\"4404\",\"type\":\"P\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"The three points above are not unique to Golem, but very standard practice in the venture capital world and something the crypto world should adapt as soon as possible.\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_39\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_39\",\"name\":\"92a9\",\"type\":\"H3\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"Legality 4\\u002F5\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_40\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_40\",\"name\":\"b73e\",\"type\":\"P\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"As an investor? 4\\u002F5\\nThe short version is that the GNT token is used in much the same way as Ether (for gas) in the Ethereum ecosystem. Also, they use the same incorporation structure with a company based in Switzerland that controls the funds from the crowdsale and the holding company in turn employs various contractors for development and the completion of the project. If it works for the Ethereum foundation it will work for Golem as well.\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[{\"__typename\":\"Markup\",\"type\":\"STRONG\",\"start\":0,\"end\":19,\"href\":null,\"anchorType\":null,\"userId\":null,\"linkMetadata\":null}],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_41\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_41\",\"name\":\"81b2\",\"type\":\"P\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"The longer version can be read in the 8 page [GNT Terms Document](https:\\u002F\\u002Fgolem.network\\u002Fdoc\\u002FGNTterms.pdf).\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[{\"__typename\":\"Markup\",\"type\":\"A\",\"start\":66,\"end\":104,\"href\":\"https:\\u002F\\u002Fgolem.network\\u002Fdoc\\u002FGNTterms.pdf\",\"anchorType\":\"LINK\",\"userId\":null,\"linkMetadata\":null}],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_42\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_42\",\"name\":\"890a\",\"type\":\"P\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"Recently I’ve seen a lot of discussions around ICOs and their legality in relation to the US SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission) rules. Remember, Golem Factory is a European company controlled by European citizens, the SEC has no jurisdictions there and it’s up to each participant to figure out if they are allowed to back this project or not.\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_43\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_43\",\"name\":\"a9d3\",\"type\":\"P\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"Legality of the business 4\\u002F5\\nShould be the same as other cloud computing operators, so nothing special.\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[{\"__typename\":\"Markup\",\"type\":\"STRONG\",\"start\":0,\"end\":28,\"href\":null,\"anchorType\":null,\"userId\":null,\"linkMetadata\":null}],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_44\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_44\",\"name\":\"0c52\",\"type\":\"H3\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"Security 4\\u002F5\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_45\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_45\",\"name\":\"3fa0\",\"type\":\"P\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"Proof of external security evaluation? 3\\u002F5\\nEach major release will be audited by external auditors, and a significant amount of funds are set aside for this. In the GNT terms document they state the code is audited (I assume the GNT token contract code), but I have not seen a public report on it. But, all development of the Golem project is pushed to their public GitHub page, it has been publicly available for at least 10 months so no secrets there.\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[{\"__typename\":\"Markup\",\"type\":\"A\",\"start\":165,\"end\":183,\"href\":\"https:\\u002F\\u002Fgolem.network\\u002Fdoc\\u002FGNTterms.pdf\",\"anchorType\":\"LINK\",\"userId\":null,\"linkMetadata\":null},{\"__typename\":\"Markup\",\"type\":\"STRONG\",\"start\":0,\"end\":42,\"href\":null,\"anchorType\":null,\"userId\":null,\"linkMetadata\":null}],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_46\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_46\",\"name\":\"6032\",\"type\":\"P\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"Special security needs for this project? 4\\u002F5\\nThroughout the text they describe the complexity of a project like Golem and many different security implementations they are planning, so all investors should be very well aware of this. That is really good. This is bleeding edge technology that is not developed yet, and making sure that we as outsiders really understand this is good. As I wrote earlier, I think the security needs of this project are as high or even higher than for the Ethereum project itself. We already see that there are many different security solutions being planned on different levels of the platform, and they have a cautious release plan that will hopefully discover and iron out lots of the security exploits and issues as the following releases are being developed.\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[{\"__typename\":\"Markup\",\"type\":\"STRONG\",\"start\":0,\"end\":44,\"href\":null,\"anchorType\":null,\"userId\":null,\"linkMetadata\":null}],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_47\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_47\",\"name\":\"c91f\",\"type\":\"H3\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"Conclusion — Positive\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_48\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_48\",\"name\":\"32fd\",\"type\":\"P\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"Golem is a very interesting project and in my opinion the white paper is the best ICO white paper released so far. The paper is well balanced and the project itself is fantastically ambitious that use blockchain technology not only to disrupt a huge (and growing) established market, but could also enable a key part of the needed infrastructure for the fully decentralised and autonomous web 3.0.\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_49\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_49\",\"name\":\"a348\",\"type\":\"P\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"What I also like and respect is the open and transparent approach they have used since the project start. We as outsiders should not control the project and the team should not act based on wishes from the community. But, they are open and ask for feedback, and when feedback is given they clearly consider it and act on it in order to improve. They have an active blog and from what I have seen so far I am very positive that they will contribute back to the Ethereum community outside of just the Golem project.\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_50\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_50\",\"name\":\"0233\",\"type\":\"P\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"Just one example that I personally think speaks very highly of their capacity is the blog post about writing the GNT Crowdfunding Contract. It’s an easy read and this is the best 7 minute introduction to professional software development that I have seen. If you want to know the difference between bedroom hacking and software development this post is well worth a few minutes of your time.\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[{\"__typename\":\"Markup\",\"type\":\"A\",\"start\":113,\"end\":138,\"href\":\"https:\\u002F\\u002Fblog.golemproject.net\\u002Fgnt-crowdfunding-contract-in-pictures-d6b5a2e69150#.2idvuis3g\",\"anchorType\":\"LINK\",\"userId\":null,\"linkMetadata\":null}],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_51\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_51\",\"name\":\"6c61\",\"type\":\"P\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"In my preliminary analysis I had some concluding points where I wanted to see improvement and more information. Let’s review these points:\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_52\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_52\",\"name\":\"9f29\",\"type\":\"ULI\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"More and better team info — not only did they include team info, but also some very good rationale for their team selection, overall team background and achievements and they have also recruited since the draft white paper\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_53\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_53\",\"name\":\"dc5d\",\"type\":\"ULI\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"Budget — the min and max cap size differ around 5 times. We now have a much better understanding for how they plan to spend the funds, and how different funding levels will affect the planned scope of the Golem project\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_54\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_54\",\"name\":\"d882\",\"type\":\"ULI\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"A market strategy is needed — the go-to market strategy in integrated into the paper giving a much better understanding of the project and the rationale for each milestone. This was a huge improvement and something I hope other projects will learn from\",\"hasDropCap\":null,\"dropCapImage\":null,\"markups\":[],\"codeBlockMetadata\":null,\"iframe\":null,\"mixtapeMetadata\":null},\"Paragraph:cd6f51937ca0_55\":{\"__typename\":\"Paragraph\",\"id\":\"cd6f51937ca0_55\",\"name\":\"4162\",\"type\":\"ULI\",\"href\":null,\"layout\":null,\"metadata\":null,\"text\":\"I hope to see some external due diligence of code they have published so far — I still hope that someone better at software development than me will review the code (that is publicly available) and post something about the perceived quality level. 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Crowdsale Analyst: Golem — Final ThoughtsGolem is a very interesting project for many reasons with an end goal of building a decentralized supercomputer and a software service marketplace for the next generation of the web (web 3.0, aka the decentralised web). It’s very ambitious, they have an open and inclusive approach and in the end I think they will contribute a lot back to the Ethereum community.A few weeks ago they released a draft white paper for the upcoming ICO and asked for feedback. That’s a great initiative in my opinion. No one knows (yet) the ultimate strategy and mechanics for crowdfundings that will give the right balance of information and expectations to participants as well as give the project the highest long term chance of success. Being open to improve this process is a great step forward.The Golem team later published a release candidate of the white paper together with comments about the main points in my preliminary analysis. Of course it makes me happy to see how they considered not only mine but also the other feedback they got during this process. Compared to the draft white paper the final white paper is vastly improved, it is easy to read and follow now and everyone slightly interested in Golem should read it from start to finish.What I must make very clear is that I do not believe that the community should control what the Golem team (or any other team out there) should or should not do, they should make their own strategy, decisions and plans. But, this is a diverse and inclusive community with so many talented and skilled people in various fields that I truly believe that listening to constructive feedback can improve the projects and change them in positive ways.I’m subjectively scoring each of the below categories from 0 to 5, where 3 should be neutral in the eyes of the crowdsale participant. Below 3 is bad for the investor and above 3 is good for the investor (and could be good for the project as well). At the end I’ll add a conclusion where I rate the whole ICO based on the combined information I have as negative, neutral or positive.Project: The Golem ProjectI earlier wrote that the easiest way to understand Golem is like a decentralised Amazon AWS service, well that was a bad description by me. Golem is something bigger and I see two main parts to it:A decentralised marketplace for computer resources. In the design this includes services like Amazon AWS that could sell excess capacity (or all capacity) on the Golem marketplace, together with and in direct competition with resources from other cloud services, data centers and all the way down to end users with spare capacity.A microservice platform and decentrlizaed software registry that will provide the computational resources needed for web 3.0 and other direct use cases.The current paradigm of Ethereum development (if we have one yet) is to build the complete decentralised application (smart contracts) on Ethereum and then use services like IPFS to add functionality that is not available on Ethereum. I share the future vision with Golem where Ethereum will handle only the parts needing consensus, immutability, transparency and accountability — in short the literal meaning of smart contracts. The other parts of the applications will be handled off-chain, by services such as Golem. Ethereum is not well suited for general software development (for efficiency, security and upgradability reasons). I can see how Golem could be an important piece of the puzzle that will give the smart contracts access to needed services and resources to scale out to fully decentralised platforms with possibility of almost unlimited capacity.Team/Founders 4/5Do these guys have what it takes to succeed as entrepreneurs? Track record and previous projects? Experience and formal education?The Golem team is already at 12 people (up from 10 since the draft white paper). This means they already have a critical mass of people and will be able to scale their operations efficiently if/when raising a lot of funds. They mention a goal of growing the team to 20 people which is absolutely doable given their current size.Since the release of the draft white paper they not only published a blog post about the founding team, but also added a very good section about them in the white paper for us that don’t know the team and founders since before. What is most important is that we now know that the founders both have startup, operational and business experience from running a company, while also having a track record of delivering advanced technological solutions.The rest of the team they have gathered so far looks very competent, with great experience that already cover key parts of the technology stack and with people who’s contributions are known to the Ethereum community.Market Potential 4/5The cloud compute market is a multi billion market dominated by large IT companies (such as Amazon, Google, Microsoft and IBM). On the IAAS (infrastructure-as-a-service) side Golems key advantage will be the possibility to offer a completely transparent market for compute resources. Since large scale data centers will compete with excess home capacity (where the marginal cost is more or less electricity), costs should go down and that will drive adoption. The problem is the tight integration and ecosystems of the other platforms. Amazon AWS does not only provide compute, storage and transfer. They have so many services built around this to create full stacks with connected networking, DNS services, shared files systems etc. All of this will probably be possible to replicate on Golem, but it will take time and considerate effort, and the switching cost from Amazon to Golem will be high.For the SAAS (software-as-a-service) part of the service the key driver for the legacy cloudification market will be the openness of the software registry platform (and price of course). It is a very flexible system and it will be very interesting to see new payment and reimbursement models be built on top of the transaction framework.But, the software registry will also be a key piece of infrastructure for the decentralised web 3.0. If (when?) we see the decentralised web develop it will have profound implications for how we interact with the web we know today. This will create a completely new market where Golem will provide a key part of the infrastructure.Also, because the possibilities and the vision is so big they will have a lot of work over the coming years to showcase and build solutions and concepts that showcase these possibilities. Without knowing too much about the detailed plans and skills of the Golem team, for me it seems like the first applications that will be available are either computer resources (as a Amazon EC2 marketplace) and on the software repository side microservice like applications that will run independently and handle direct requests or by working on job queues. To get into highly parallel applications that do distributed supercomputing (which I guess is the end goal) a LOT of work is required and this is a research field in itself. Maybe we will see third parties develop this, but it will take time.My main concern is the lack of a direct monetization plan. The Golem team will have around four years to figure out a viable monetization strategy which I don’t think will be a major concern. Building on their expertise with the platform I expect them to bring apps to the software registry themselves, and probably also find other income streams on the platform (such as escrow services, web 3.0 infrastructure services etc.). The ICO participants will get their tokens, and because there is no reissuance of tokens they should appreciate in value as usage of the Golem platform grows.Product/Business/Operating Plan 4/5Proof of concept available? How many iterations are done? MVP available? Is the product validated by outside users? 4/5They have an alpha release available github with a working implementation of distributed Blender/LuxRender rendering, which will also be the first public use case.What is the current operating plan and why do they need funding *now*? 4/5Up until now the Golem project has been privately funded. From what I understand they have now reached the first proof of concept stage and to scale out and finance continued accelerated development they need additional funding. Also, because the Golem is built as a network a crowdsale in the proposed form is also a very good way to bootstrap the network of potential requestors, providers and software developers.What is the go-to market strategy? 5/5This is one of the sections that is vastly improved in the final white paper and is now by far the best in any ICO/white paper I’ve read. It’s not too elaborate, but very much to the point. We are given an overall market strategy and for each of the four major milestones the main objectives and value proposition for that release and how this relates to each of the major stakeholders in the network (requestors, providers, software developers). Even if this was internally clear before I think it’s hugely important to show to us as potential investors. At least to me this explains the purpose of each release and what we can expect in a much clearer way than the feature propositions.Roadmap 4/5This is another section that is so much improved. It is impossible to estimate and promise exactly what will be delivered several years from now in a project like this, but it gives us a much better understanding and helps us set the right expectations for the long term development of the project. So not only is it good for potential ICO participants, but also for the long term value of the token itself.Brass Golem — 6 months after crowdfund Clay Golem — 6–15 months (depending on scope and financing level reached) Stone Golem — 15–24 months Iron Golem — 24–48 monthsDepending on the level of financing reached the scope for each release will be adjusted, with extra features built in. I cannot say of this is realistic or not, but it seems they have made a considerate effort to realistically estimate each release. What is important for all potential investors to understand is that this is a multi year project, and with this roadmap this should be very clear.Competition 3/5Do they have a clear view of the competition? How do they plan to beat them? 3/5Clearly they know about the other cloud PAAS and IAAS providers. Instead of addressing the competitors directly, they describe how Golem will be a more efficient and competitive market, the potential and benefits of the application repository and web 3.0 infrastructure. They don’t address the competitors directly, which is why I score this section neutral (3).Valuation 3/5Is valuation sane? 3/5They will be raising between 150 000 and 820 000 ether, with 6 % going to the founders and an additional 12 % to Golem Factory GmbH. This puts a maximum current value of Golem to 1 000 000 ether or roughly 12 million USD. This is a lot of money, but it includes the funds raised and a team of 10 people that I believe already have worked around a year on the project which is why I score it neutral.Crowdsale and token structure 3/5I think the crowdfund structure as described is neutral (not worse than the other recent successful ICOs, but not better either). There are still a couple of points that I would have liked to be be different from the eyes of an investor:All money is available upfront, there is no safety mechanism if something happens in the project. I would have liked a yearly progress fund release schedule (or a third at a time), with the investors being able to halt the next payout in case of some grave mishandlingNo vesting for the founders — at least it’s not clear if the team and founders are vesting their tokens. I hope we will see a standard emerge where teams and investors always vest their tokens for at least 2 years, with a 6 month cliff (meaning no tokens at all for the first 6 months). In Golem they have a 6 month holding period (i.e. cliff) but no vesting after thatUnclear strategy to raise more funds if needed (there is a token upgrade option, but unclear how that will be used)The three points above are not unique to Golem, but very standard practice in the venture capital world and something the crypto world should adapt as soon as possible.Legality 4/5As an investor? 4/5The short version is that the GNT token is used in much the same way as Ether (for gas) in the Ethereum ecosystem. Also, they use the same incorporation structure with a company based in Switzerland that controls the funds from the crowdsale and the holding company in turn employs various contractors for development and the completion of the project. If it works for the Ethereum foundation it will work for Golem as well.The longer version can be read in the 8 page [GNT Terms Document](https://golem.network/doc/GNTterms.pdf).Recently I’ve seen a lot of discussions around ICOs and their legality in relation to the US SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission) rules. Remember, Golem Factory is a European company controlled by European citizens, the SEC has no jurisdictions there and it’s up to each participant to figure out if they are allowed to back this project or not.Legality of the business 4/5Should be the same as other cloud computing operators, so nothing special.Security 4/5Proof of external security evaluation? 3/5Each major release will be audited by external auditors, and a significant amount of funds are set aside for this. In the GNT terms document they state the code is audited (I assume the GNT token contract code), but I have not seen a public report on it. But, all development of the Golem project is pushed to their public GitHub page, it has been publicly available for at least 10 months so no secrets there.Special security needs for this project? 4/5Throughout the text they describe the complexity of a project like Golem and many different security implementations they are planning, so all investors should be very well aware of this. That is really good. This is bleeding edge technology that is not developed yet, and making sure that we as outsiders really understand this is good. As I wrote earlier, I think the security needs of this project are as high or even higher than for the Ethereum project itself. We already see that there are many different security solutions being planned on different levels of the platform, and they have a cautious release plan that will hopefully discover and iron out lots of the security exploits and issues as the following releases are being developed.Conclusion — PositiveGolem is a very interesting project and in my opinion the white paper is the best ICO white paper released so far. The paper is well balanced and the project itself is fantastically ambitious that use blockchain technology not only to disrupt a huge (and growing) established market, but could also enable a key part of the needed infrastructure for the fully decentralised and autonomous web 3.0.What I also like and respect is the open and transparent approach they have used since the project start. We as outsiders should not control the project and the team should not act based on wishes from the community. But, they are open and ask for feedback, and when feedback is given they clearly consider it and act on it in order to improve. They have an active blog and from what I have seen so far I am very positive that they will contribute back to the Ethereum community outside of just the Golem project.Just one example that I personally think speaks very highly of their capacity is the blog post about writing the GNT Crowdfunding Contract. It’s an easy read and this is the best 7 minute introduction to professional software development that I have seen. If you want to know the difference between bedroom hacking and software development this post is well worth a few minutes of your time.In my preliminary analysis I had some concluding points where I wanted to see improvement and more information. Let’s review these points:More and better team info — not only did they include team info, but also some very good rationale for their team selection, overall team background and achievements and they have also recruited since the draft white paperBudget — the min and max cap size differ around 5 times. We now have a much better understanding for how they plan to spend the funds, and how different funding levels will affect the planned scope of the Golem projectA market strategy is needed — the go-to market strategy in integrated into the paper giving a much better understanding of the project and the rationale for each milestone. This was a huge improvement and something I hope other projects will learn fromI hope to see some external due diligence of code they have published so far — I still hope that someone better at software development than me will review the code (that is publicly available) and post something about the perceived quality level. The positive side is the blog post mentioned above and the planned security reviewsA much better roadmap is needed — we got it, and I think they really hit the sweet spot of detail in this as the future will be very uncertainThe crowdsale strategy could be improved — all funds are still available upfront and there is no vesting schedule for the team, founders and early investors (although there is a 6 month cliff)More and deeper security discussions are needed, along with time tables — check on this. Everyone reading the white paper should understand it will take several years to deliver on the vision of the Iron Golem and the complexity of a project like thisSo, point by point they made huge improvements (except for immediate release of all funds) and with the disposition and layout also much improved I think this project is now much easier to understand and to evaluate. I strongly encourage everyone interested in the crowdsale to read it and make up their own mind. I can only say I think it’s the best handled ICO process so far and it has the best documentation I’ve seen, and as a project it’s one of the most interesting we have seen in the crypto space.","html":"\u003cdiv>\u003cdiv class=\"es gk gl gm gn go\">\u003c/div>\u003cdiv class=\"gp gq gr gs gt\">\u003cdiv class=\"\">\u003ch1 id=\"c8d9\" class=\"pw-post-title gu gv gw bd gx gy gz ha hb hc hd he hf hg hh hi hj hk hl hm hn ho hp hq hr hs bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">The Crowdsale Analyst: Golem — Final Thoughts\u003c/h1>\u003c/div>\u003cp id=\"e372\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Golem is a very interesting project for many reasons with an end goal of building a decentralized supercomputer and a software service marketplace for the next generation of the web (web 3.0, aka the decentralised web). It’s very ambitious, they have an open and inclusive approach and in the end I think they will contribute a lot back to the Ethereum community.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"a82d\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">A few weeks ago they released a \u003ca class=\"ae ir\" href=\"https://blog.golemproject.net/golem-crowdfunding-whitepaper-draft-release-f5b7b8a0cb06#.62qpvo1kq\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">draft white paper\u003c/a> for the upcoming ICO and asked for feedback. That’s a great initiative in my opinion. No one knows (yet) the ultimate strategy and mechanics for crowdfundings that will give the right balance of information and expectations to participants as well as give the project the highest long term chance of success. Being open to improve this process is a great step forward.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"5a7c\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">The Golem team later published a \u003ca class=\"ae ir\" href=\"https://blog.golemproject.net/golem-crowdfunding-whitepaper-release-candidate-c817ebd911b#.ugltkyk9p\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">release candidate\u003c/a> of the white paper together with comments about the main points in my \u003ca class=\"ae ir\" href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/57x1oh/the_crowdsale_analyst_golem_preliminary_thoughts/\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">preliminary analysis\u003c/a>. Of course it makes me happy to see how they considered not only mine but also the other feedback they got during this process. Compared to the draft white paper the \u003ca class=\"ae ir\" href=\"https://golem.network/doc/Golemwhitepaper.pdf\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">final white paper\u003c/a> is vastly improved, it is easy to read and follow now and everyone slightly interested in Golem should read it from start to finish.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"8836\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">What I must make very clear is that I do not believe that the community should control what the Golem team (or any other team out there) should or should not do, they should make their own strategy, decisions and plans. But, this is a diverse and inclusive community with so many talented and skilled people in various fields that I truly believe that listening to constructive feedback can improve the projects and change them in positive ways.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"5881\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">I’m subjectively scoring each of the below categories from 0 to 5, where 3 should be neutral in the eyes of the crowdsale participant. Below 3 is bad for the investor and above 3 is good for the investor (and could be good for the project as well). At the end I’ll add a conclusion where I rate the whole ICO based on the combined information I have as negative, neutral or positive.\u003c/p>\u003ch1 id=\"3a73\" class=\"is it gw bd iu iv iw ix iy iz ja jb jc jd je jf jg jh ji jj jk jl jm jn jo jp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Project: The Golem Project\u003c/h1>\u003cp id=\"b985\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw jq hy hz ia jr ic id ie js ig ih ii jt ik il im ju io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">I earlier wrote that the easiest way to understand Golem is like a decentralised Amazon AWS service, well that was a bad description by me. Golem is something bigger and I see two main parts to it:\u003c/p>\u003col class=\"\">\u003cli id=\"d3f6\" class=\"jv jw gw hv b hw hx ia ib ie jx ii jy im jz iq ka kb kc kd bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">A decentralised marketplace for computer resources. In the design this includes services like Amazon AWS that could sell excess capacity (or all capacity) on the Golem marketplace, together with and in direct competition with resources from other cloud services, data centers and all the way down to end users with spare capacity.\u003c/li>\u003cli id=\"f0f5\" class=\"jv jw gw hv b hw ke ia kf ie kg ii kh im ki iq ka kb kc kd bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">A microservice platform and decentrlizaed software registry that will provide the computational resources needed for web 3.0 and other direct use cases.\u003c/li>\u003c/ol>\u003cp id=\"67bf\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">The current paradigm of Ethereum development (if we have one yet) is to build the complete decentralised application (smart contracts) on Ethereum and then use services like IPFS to add functionality that is not available on Ethereum. I share the future vision with Golem where Ethereum will handle only the parts needing consensus, immutability, transparency and accountability — in short the literal meaning of smart contracts. The other parts of the applications will be handled off-chain, by services such as Golem. Ethereum is not well suited for general software development (for efficiency, security and upgradability reasons). I can see how Golem could be an important piece of the puzzle that will give the smart contracts access to needed services and resources to scale out to fully decentralised platforms with possibility of almost unlimited capacity.\u003c/p>\u003ch1 id=\"e1c6\" class=\"is it gw bd iu iv iw ix iy iz ja jb jc jd je jf jg jh ji jj jk jl jm jn jo jp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Team/Founders 4/5\u003c/h1>\u003cp id=\"c531\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw jq hy hz ia jr ic id ie js ig ih ii jt ik il im ju io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">Do these guys have what it takes to succeed as entrepreneurs? Track record and previous projects? Experience and formal education?\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"34eb\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">The Golem team is already at 12 people (up from 10 since the draft white paper). This means they already have a critical mass of people and will be able to scale their operations efficiently if/when raising a lot of funds. They mention a goal of growing the team to 20 people which is absolutely doable given their current size.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"8a04\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Since the release of the draft white paper they not only published a blog post about the founding team, but also added a very good section about them in the white paper for us that don’t know the team and founders since before. What is most important is that we now know that the founders both have startup, operational and business experience from running a company, while also having a track record of delivering advanced technological solutions.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"c727\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">The rest of the team they have gathered so far looks very competent, with great experience that already cover key parts of the technology stack and with people who’s contributions are known to the Ethereum community.\u003c/p>\u003ch1 id=\"af82\" class=\"is it gw bd iu iv iw ix iy iz ja jb jc jd je jf jg jh ji jj jk jl jm jn jo jp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Market Potential 4/5\u003c/h1>\u003cp id=\"4c6d\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw jq hy hz ia jr ic id ie js ig ih ii jt ik il im ju io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">The cloud compute market is a multi billion market dominated by large IT companies (such as Amazon, Google, Microsoft and IBM). On the IAAS (infrastructure-as-a-service) side Golems key advantage will be the possibility to offer a completely transparent market for compute resources. Since large scale data centers will compete with excess home capacity (where the marginal cost is more or less electricity), costs should go down and that will drive adoption. The problem is the tight integration and ecosystems of the other platforms. Amazon AWS does not only provide compute, storage and transfer. They have so many services built around this to create full stacks with connected networking, DNS services, shared files systems etc. All of this will probably be possible to replicate on Golem, but it will take time and considerate effort, and the switching cost from Amazon to Golem will be high.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"a913\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">For the SAAS (software-as-a-service) part of the service the key driver for the legacy cloudification market will be the openness of the software registry platform (and price of course). It is a very flexible system and it will be very interesting to see new payment and reimbursement models be built on top of the transaction framework.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"be9d\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">But, the software registry will also be a key piece of infrastructure for the decentralised web 3.0. If (when?) we see the decentralised web develop it will have profound implications for how we interact with the web we know today. This will create a completely new market where Golem will provide a key part of the infrastructure.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"68fa\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Also, because the possibilities and the vision is so big they will have a lot of work over the coming years to showcase and build solutions and concepts that showcase these possibilities. Without knowing too much about the detailed plans and skills of the Golem team, for me it seems like the first applications that will be available are either computer resources (as a Amazon EC2 marketplace) and on the software repository side microservice like applications that will run independently and handle direct requests or by working on job queues. To get into highly parallel applications that do distributed supercomputing (which I guess is the end goal) a LOT of work is required and this is a research field in itself. Maybe we will see third parties develop this, but it will take time.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"e58f\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">My main concern is the lack of a direct monetization plan. The Golem team will have around four years to figure out a viable monetization strategy which I don’t think will be a major concern. Building on their expertise with the platform I expect them to bring apps to the software registry themselves, and probably also find other income streams on the platform (such as escrow services, web 3.0 infrastructure services etc.). The ICO participants will get their tokens, and because there is no reissuance of tokens they should appreciate in value as usage of the Golem platform grows.\u003c/p>\u003ch1 id=\"595b\" class=\"is it gw bd iu iv iw ix iy iz ja jb jc jd je jf jg jh ji jj jk jl jm jn jo jp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Product/Business/Operating Plan 4/5\u003c/h1>\u003cp id=\"2ff3\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw jq hy hz ia jr ic id ie js ig ih ii jt ik il im ju io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">Proof of concept available? How many iterations are done? MVP available? Is the product validated by outside users? 4/5\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>They have an alpha release available \u003ca class=\"ae ir\" href=\"https://github.com/imapp-pl/golem\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">github\u003c/a> with a working implementation of distributed Blender/LuxRender rendering, which will also be the first public use case.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"f285\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">What is the current operating plan and why do they need funding *now*? 4/5\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>Up until now the Golem project has been privately funded. From what I understand they have now reached the first proof of concept stage and to scale out and finance continued accelerated development they need additional funding. Also, because the Golem is built as a network a crowdsale in the proposed form is also a very good way to bootstrap the network of potential requestors, providers and software developers.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"8cde\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">What is the go-to market strategy? 5/5\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>This is one of the sections that is vastly improved in the final white paper and is now by far the best in any ICO/white paper I’ve read. It’s not too elaborate, but very much to the point. We are given an overall market strategy and for each of the four major milestones the main objectives and value proposition for that release and how this relates to each of the major stakeholders in the network (requestors, providers, software developers). Even if this was internally clear before I think it’s hugely important to show to us as potential investors. At least to me this explains the purpose of each release and what we can expect in a much clearer way than the feature propositions.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"e3f9\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">Roadmap 4/5\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>This is another section that is so much improved. It is impossible to estimate and promise exactly what will be delivered several years from now in a project like this, but it gives us a much better understanding and helps us set the right expectations for the long term development of the project. So not only is it good for potential ICO participants, but also for the long term value of the token itself.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"c9bc\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Brass Golem — 6 months after crowdfund \u003cbr>Clay Golem — 6–15 months (depending on scope and financing level reached) \u003cbr>Stone Golem — 15–24 months \u003cbr>Iron Golem — 24–48 months\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"717d\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Depending on the level of financing reached the scope for each release will be adjusted, with extra features built in. I cannot say of this is realistic or not, but it seems they have made a considerate effort to realistically estimate each release. What is important for all potential investors to understand is that this is a multi year project, and with this roadmap this should be very clear.\u003c/p>\u003ch1 id=\"6bfd\" class=\"is it gw bd iu iv iw ix iy iz ja jb jc jd je jf jg jh ji jj jk jl jm jn jo jp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Competition 3/5\u003c/h1>\u003cp id=\"419a\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw jq hy hz ia jr ic id ie js ig ih ii jt ik il im ju io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">Do they have a clear view of the competition? How do they plan to beat them? 3/5\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"7182\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Clearly they know about the other cloud PAAS and IAAS providers. Instead of addressing the competitors directly, they describe how Golem will be a more efficient and competitive market, the potential and benefits of the application repository and web 3.0 infrastructure. They don’t address the competitors directly, which is why I score this section neutral (3).\u003c/p>\u003ch1 id=\"a68a\" class=\"is it gw bd iu iv iw ix iy iz ja jb jc jd je jf jg jh ji jj jk jl jm jn jo jp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Valuation 3/5\u003c/h1>\u003cp id=\"37ea\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw jq hy hz ia jr ic id ie js ig ih ii jt ik il im ju io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">Is valuation sane? 3/5\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>They will be raising between 150 000 and 820 000 ether, with 6 % going to the founders and an additional 12 % to Golem Factory GmbH. This puts a maximum current value of Golem to 1 000 000 ether or roughly 12 million USD. This is a lot of money, but it includes the funds raised and a team of 10 people that I believe already have worked around a year on the project which is why I score it neutral.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"2f7e\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">Crowdsale and token structure 3/5\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>I think the crowdfund structure as described is neutral (not worse than the other recent successful ICOs, but not better either). There are still a couple of points that I would have liked to be be different from the eyes of an investor:\u003c/p>\u003cul class=\"\">\u003cli id=\"c243\" class=\"jv jw gw hv b hw hx ia ib ie jx ii jy im jz iq kj kb kc kd bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">All money is available upfront, there is no safety mechanism if something happens in the project. I would have liked a yearly progress fund release schedule (or a third at a time), with the investors being able to halt the next payout in case of some grave mishandling\u003c/li>\u003cli id=\"2bec\" class=\"jv jw gw hv b hw ke ia kf ie kg ii kh im ki iq kj kb kc kd bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">No vesting for the founders — at least it’s not clear if the team and founders are vesting their tokens. I hope we will see a standard emerge where teams and investors always vest their tokens for at least 2 years, with a 6 month cliff (meaning no tokens at all for the first 6 months). In Golem they have a 6 month holding period (i.e. cliff) but no vesting after that\u003c/li>\u003cli id=\"f0b2\" class=\"jv jw gw hv b hw ke ia kf ie kg ii kh im ki iq kj kb kc kd bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Unclear strategy to raise more funds if needed (there is a token upgrade option, but unclear how that will be used)\u003c/li>\u003c/ul>\u003cp id=\"4404\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">The three points above are not unique to Golem, but very standard practice in the venture capital world and something the crypto world should adapt as soon as possible.\u003c/p>\u003ch1 id=\"92a9\" class=\"is it gw bd iu iv iw ix iy iz ja jb jc jd je jf jg jh ji jj jk jl jm jn jo jp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Legality 4/5\u003c/h1>\u003cp id=\"b73e\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw jq hy hz ia jr ic id ie js ig ih ii jt ik il im ju io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">As an investor? 4/5\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>The short version is that the GNT token is used in much the same way as Ether (for gas) in the Ethereum ecosystem. Also, they use the same incorporation structure with a company based in Switzerland that controls the funds from the crowdsale and the holding company in turn employs various contractors for development and the completion of the project. If it works for the Ethereum foundation it will work for Golem as well.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"81b2\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">The longer version can be read in the 8 page [GNT Terms Document](\u003ca class=\"ae ir\" href=\"https://golem.network/doc/GNTterms.pdf\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">https://golem.network/doc/GNTterms.pdf\u003c/a>).\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"890a\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Recently I’ve seen a lot of discussions around ICOs and their legality in relation to the US SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission) rules. Remember, Golem Factory is a European company controlled by European citizens, the SEC has no jurisdictions there and it’s up to each participant to figure out if they are allowed to back this project or not.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"a9d3\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">Legality of the business 4/5\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>Should be the same as other cloud computing operators, so nothing special.\u003c/p>\u003ch1 id=\"0c52\" class=\"is it gw bd iu iv iw ix iy iz ja jb jc jd je jf jg jh ji jj jk jl jm jn jo jp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Security 4/5\u003c/h1>\u003cp id=\"3fa0\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw jq hy hz ia jr ic id ie js ig ih ii jt ik il im ju io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">Proof of external security evaluation? 3/5\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>Each major release will be audited by external auditors, and a significant amount of funds are set aside for this. In the \u003ca class=\"ae ir\" href=\"https://golem.network/doc/GNTterms.pdf\" rel=\"noopener ugc nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">GNT terms document\u003c/a> they state the code is audited (I assume the GNT token contract code), but I have not seen a public report on it. But, all development of the Golem project is pushed to their public GitHub page, it has been publicly available for at least 10 months so no secrets there.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"6032\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">\u003cstrong class=\"hv gx\">Special security needs for this project? 4/5\u003c/strong>\u003cbr>Throughout the text they describe the complexity of a project like Golem and many different security implementations they are planning, so all investors should be very well aware of this. That is really good. This is bleeding edge technology that is not developed yet, and making sure that we as outsiders really understand this is good. As I wrote earlier, I think the security needs of this project are as high or even higher than for the Ethereum project itself. We already see that there are many different security solutions being planned on different levels of the platform, and they have a cautious release plan that will hopefully discover and iron out lots of the security exploits and issues as the following releases are being developed.\u003c/p>\u003ch1 id=\"c91f\" class=\"is it gw bd iu iv iw ix iy iz ja jb jc jd je jf jg jh ji jj jk jl jm jn jo jp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Conclusion — Positive\u003c/h1>\u003cp id=\"32fd\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw jq hy hz ia jr ic id ie js ig ih ii jt ik il im ju io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">Golem is a very interesting project and in my opinion the white paper is the best ICO white paper released so far. The paper is well balanced and the project itself is fantastically ambitious that use blockchain technology not only to disrupt a huge (and growing) established market, but could also enable a key part of the needed infrastructure for the fully decentralised and autonomous web 3.0.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"a348\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">What I also like and respect is the open and transparent approach they have used since the project start. We as outsiders should not control the project and the team should not act based on wishes from the community. But, they are open and ask for feedback, and when feedback is given they clearly consider it and act on it in order to improve. 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If you want to know the difference between bedroom hacking and software development this post is well worth a few minutes of your time.\u003c/p>\u003cp id=\"6c61\" class=\"pw-post-body-paragraph ht hu gw hv b hw hx hy hz ia ib ic id ie if ig ih ii ij ik il im in io ip iq gp bi\" data-selectable-paragraph=\"\">In my preliminary analysis I had some concluding points where I wanted to see improvement and more information. 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text-color-black \">\u003cdiv class=\"flex h-full min-w-0 items-center whitespace-nowrap px-4\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600\">ETH\u003c/div>\u003csvg class=\"h-[20px] w-[20px]\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\" height=\"20\" viewBox=\"0 0 20 20\" width=\"20\" fill=\"none\">\u003cpath d=\"M6.89551 12C6.78301 12 6.69238 11.9625 6.62363 11.8875C6.55488 11.8125 6.52051 11.725 6.52051 11.625C6.52051 11.6111 6.56135 11.5224 6.64303 11.3589L9.60384 8.39579C9.6594 8.34024 9.7219 8.29857 9.79134 8.27079C9.86079 8.24301 9.93023 8.22913 9.99967 8.22913C10.0691 8.22913 10.1386 8.24301 10.208 8.27079C10.2775 8.29857 10.34 8.34024 10.3955 8.39579L13.3563 11.3582C13.3972 11.399 13.4278 11.4433 13.4482 11.491C13.4686 11.5386 13.4788 11.5868 13.4788 11.6354C13.4788 11.7326 13.4445 11.8177 13.3757 11.8906C13.307 11.9635 13.2163 12 13.1038 12H6.89551Z\" fill=\"#00D964\">\u003c/path>\u003c/svg>\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 font-mono\">$\u003c!-- -->2,065.21\u003c/div>\u003cdiv class=\"ml-1 inline-flex items-center justify-center gap-1\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 flex truncate font-mono font-normal\">\u003cdiv>+\u003c/div>3.57\u003c!-- -->%\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003ca title=\"View price details\" class=\"align-center bg-charcoal-25 flex h-full flex-shrink-0 cursor-pointer text-xs\" href=\"/price/tether\">\u003cspan class=\"font-sans font-semibold text-3xs text-color-black \">\u003cdiv class=\"flex h-full min-w-0 items-center whitespace-nowrap px-4\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600\">USDT\u003c/div>\u003csvg class=\"h-[20px] w-[20px]\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\" height=\"20\" viewBox=\"0 0 20 20\" width=\"20\" fill=\"none\">\u003cpath d=\"M6.89551 12C6.78301 12 6.69238 11.9625 6.62363 11.8875C6.55488 11.8125 6.52051 11.725 6.52051 11.625C6.52051 11.6111 6.56135 11.5224 6.64303 11.3589L9.60384 8.39579C9.6594 8.34024 9.7219 8.29857 9.79134 8.27079C9.86079 8.24301 9.93023 8.22913 9.99967 8.22913C10.0691 8.22913 10.1386 8.24301 10.208 8.27079C10.2775 8.29857 10.34 8.34024 10.3955 8.39579L13.3563 11.3582C13.3972 11.399 13.4278 11.4433 13.4482 11.491C13.4686 11.5386 13.4788 11.5868 13.4788 11.6354C13.4788 11.7326 13.4445 11.8177 13.3757 11.8906C13.307 11.9635 13.2163 12 13.1038 12H6.89551Z\" fill=\"#00D964\">\u003c/path>\u003c/svg>\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 font-mono\">$\u003c!-- -->1.0002\u003c/div>\u003cdiv class=\"ml-1 inline-flex items-center justify-center gap-1\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 flex truncate font-mono font-normal\">\u003cdiv>+\u003c/div>0.00\u003c!-- -->%\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003ca title=\"View price details\" class=\"align-center bg-charcoal-25 flex h-full flex-shrink-0 cursor-pointer text-xs\" href=\"/price/xrp\">\u003cspan class=\"font-sans font-semibold text-3xs text-color-black \">\u003cdiv class=\"flex h-full min-w-0 items-center whitespace-nowrap px-4\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600\">XRP\u003c/div>\u003csvg class=\"h-[20px] w-[20px]\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\" viewBox=\"0 0 20 20\" height=\"20\" width=\"20\" fill=\"none\">\u003cpath d=\"M9.60482 12.1042L6.64401 9.14179C6.60316 9.10095 6.57253 9.05668 6.55211 9.009C6.53169 8.96133 6.52148 8.91319 6.52148 8.86458C6.52148 8.76736 6.55586 8.68229 6.62461 8.60938C6.69336 8.53646 6.78398 8.5 6.89648 8.5H13.1048C13.2173 8.5 13.3079 8.5375 13.3767 8.6125C13.4454 8.6875 13.4798 8.775 13.4798 8.875C13.4798 8.88889 13.439 8.97758 13.3573 9.14106L10.3965 12.1042C10.3409 12.1597 10.2784 12.2014 10.209 12.2292C10.1395 12.2569 10.0701 12.2708 10.0007 12.2708C9.93121 12.2708 9.86176 12.2569 9.79232 12.2292C9.72287 12.2014 9.66037 12.1597 9.60482 12.1042Z\" fill=\"#FF0000\">\u003c/path>\u003c/svg>\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 font-mono\">$\u003c!-- -->2.4331\u003c/div>\u003cdiv class=\"ml-1 inline-flex items-center justify-center gap-1\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 flex truncate font-mono font-normal\">\u003cdiv>-\u003c/div>0.07\u003c!-- -->%\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003ca title=\"View price details\" class=\"align-center bg-charcoal-25 flex h-full flex-shrink-0 cursor-pointer text-xs\" href=\"/price/binance-coin\">\u003cspan class=\"font-sans font-semibold text-3xs text-color-black \">\u003cdiv class=\"flex h-full min-w-0 items-center whitespace-nowrap px-4\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600\">BNB\u003c/div>\u003csvg class=\"h-[20px] w-[20px]\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\" height=\"20\" viewBox=\"0 0 20 20\" width=\"20\" fill=\"none\">\u003cpath d=\"M6.89551 12C6.78301 12 6.69238 11.9625 6.62363 11.8875C6.55488 11.8125 6.52051 11.725 6.52051 11.625C6.52051 11.6111 6.56135 11.5224 6.64303 11.3589L9.60384 8.39579C9.6594 8.34024 9.7219 8.29857 9.79134 8.27079C9.86079 8.24301 9.93023 8.22913 9.99967 8.22913C10.0691 8.22913 10.1386 8.24301 10.208 8.27079C10.2775 8.29857 10.34 8.34024 10.3955 8.39579L13.3563 11.3582C13.3972 11.399 13.4278 11.4433 13.4482 11.491C13.4686 11.5386 13.4788 11.5868 13.4788 11.6354C13.4788 11.7326 13.4445 11.8177 13.3757 11.8906C13.307 11.9635 13.2163 12 13.1038 12H6.89551Z\" fill=\"#00D964\">\u003c/path>\u003c/svg>\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 font-mono\">$\u003c!-- -->636.57\u003c/div>\u003cdiv class=\"ml-1 inline-flex items-center justify-center gap-1\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 flex truncate font-mono font-normal\">\u003cdiv>+\u003c/div>2.44\u003c!-- -->%\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003ca title=\"View price details\" class=\"align-center bg-charcoal-25 flex h-full flex-shrink-0 cursor-pointer text-xs\" href=\"/price/solana\">\u003cspan class=\"font-sans font-semibold text-3xs text-color-black \">\u003cdiv class=\"flex h-full min-w-0 items-center whitespace-nowrap px-4\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600\">SOL\u003c/div>\u003csvg class=\"h-[20px] w-[20px]\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\" height=\"20\" viewBox=\"0 0 20 20\" width=\"20\" fill=\"none\">\u003cpath d=\"M6.89551 12C6.78301 12 6.69238 11.9625 6.62363 11.8875C6.55488 11.8125 6.52051 11.725 6.52051 11.625C6.52051 11.6111 6.56135 11.5224 6.64303 11.3589L9.60384 8.39579C9.6594 8.34024 9.7219 8.29857 9.79134 8.27079C9.86079 8.24301 9.93023 8.22913 9.99967 8.22913C10.0691 8.22913 10.1386 8.24301 10.208 8.27079C10.2775 8.29857 10.34 8.34024 10.3955 8.39579L13.3563 11.3582C13.3972 11.399 13.4278 11.4433 13.4482 11.491C13.4686 11.5386 13.4788 11.5868 13.4788 11.6354C13.4788 11.7326 13.4445 11.8177 13.3757 11.8906C13.307 11.9635 13.2163 12 13.1038 12H6.89551Z\" fill=\"#00D964\">\u003c/path>\u003c/svg>\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 font-mono\">$\u003c!-- -->139.60\u003c/div>\u003cdiv class=\"ml-1 inline-flex items-center justify-center gap-1\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 flex truncate font-mono font-normal\">\u003cdiv>+\u003c/div>3.37\u003c!-- -->%\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003ca title=\"View price details\" class=\"align-center bg-charcoal-25 flex h-full flex-shrink-0 cursor-pointer text-xs\" href=\"/price/usd-coin\">\u003cspan class=\"font-sans font-semibold text-3xs text-color-black \">\u003cdiv class=\"flex h-full min-w-0 items-center whitespace-nowrap px-4\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600\">USDC\u003c/div>\u003csvg class=\"h-[20px] w-[20px]\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\" viewBox=\"0 0 20 20\" height=\"20\" width=\"20\" fill=\"none\">\u003cpath d=\"M9.60482 12.1042L6.64401 9.14179C6.60316 9.10095 6.57253 9.05668 6.55211 9.009C6.53169 8.96133 6.52148 8.91319 6.52148 8.86458C6.52148 8.76736 6.55586 8.68229 6.62461 8.60938C6.69336 8.53646 6.78398 8.5 6.89648 8.5H13.1048C13.2173 8.5 13.3079 8.5375 13.3767 8.6125C13.4454 8.6875 13.4798 8.775 13.4798 8.875C13.4798 8.88889 13.439 8.97758 13.3573 9.14106L10.3965 12.1042C10.3409 12.1597 10.2784 12.2014 10.209 12.2292C10.1395 12.2569 10.0701 12.2708 10.0007 12.2708C9.93121 12.2708 9.86176 12.2569 9.79232 12.2292C9.72287 12.2014 9.66037 12.1597 9.60482 12.1042Z\" fill=\"#FF0000\">\u003c/path>\u003c/svg>\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 font-mono\">$\u003c!-- -->1.0000\u003c/div>\u003cdiv class=\"ml-1 inline-flex items-center justify-center gap-1\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 flex truncate font-mono font-normal\">\u003cdiv>-\u003c/div>0.01\u003c!-- -->%\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003ca title=\"View price details\" class=\"align-center bg-charcoal-25 flex h-full flex-shrink-0 cursor-pointer text-xs\" href=\"/price/dogecoin\">\u003cspan class=\"font-sans font-semibold text-3xs text-color-black \">\u003cdiv class=\"flex h-full min-w-0 items-center whitespace-nowrap px-4\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600\">DOGE\u003c/div>\u003csvg class=\"h-[20px] w-[20px]\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\" height=\"20\" viewBox=\"0 0 20 20\" width=\"20\" fill=\"none\">\u003cpath d=\"M6.89551 12C6.78301 12 6.69238 11.9625 6.62363 11.8875C6.55488 11.8125 6.52051 11.725 6.52051 11.625C6.52051 11.6111 6.56135 11.5224 6.64303 11.3589L9.60384 8.39579C9.6594 8.34024 9.7219 8.29857 9.79134 8.27079C9.86079 8.24301 9.93023 8.22913 9.99967 8.22913C10.0691 8.22913 10.1386 8.24301 10.208 8.27079C10.2775 8.29857 10.34 8.34024 10.3955 8.39579L13.3563 11.3582C13.3972 11.399 13.4278 11.4433 13.4482 11.491C13.4686 11.5386 13.4788 11.5868 13.4788 11.6354C13.4788 11.7326 13.4445 11.8177 13.3757 11.8906C13.307 11.9635 13.2163 12 13.1038 12H6.89551Z\" fill=\"#00D964\">\u003c/path>\u003c/svg>\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 font-mono\">$\u003c!-- -->0.1848\u003c/div>\u003cdiv class=\"ml-1 inline-flex items-center justify-center gap-1\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 flex truncate font-mono font-normal\">\u003cdiv>+\u003c/div>7.21\u003c!-- -->%\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003ca title=\"View price details\" class=\"align-center bg-charcoal-25 flex h-full flex-shrink-0 cursor-pointer text-xs\" href=\"/price/cardano\">\u003cspan class=\"font-sans font-semibold text-3xs text-color-black \">\u003cdiv class=\"flex h-full min-w-0 items-center whitespace-nowrap px-4\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600\">ADA\u003c/div>\u003csvg class=\"h-[20px] w-[20px]\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\" height=\"20\" viewBox=\"0 0 20 20\" width=\"20\" fill=\"none\">\u003cpath d=\"M6.89551 12C6.78301 12 6.69238 11.9625 6.62363 11.8875C6.55488 11.8125 6.52051 11.725 6.52051 11.625C6.52051 11.6111 6.56135 11.5224 6.64303 11.3589L9.60384 8.39579C9.6594 8.34024 9.7219 8.29857 9.79134 8.27079C9.86079 8.24301 9.93023 8.22913 9.99967 8.22913C10.0691 8.22913 10.1386 8.24301 10.208 8.27079C10.2775 8.29857 10.34 8.34024 10.3955 8.39579L13.3563 11.3582C13.3972 11.399 13.4278 11.4433 13.4482 11.491C13.4686 11.5386 13.4788 11.5868 13.4788 11.6354C13.4788 11.7326 13.4445 11.8177 13.3757 11.8906C13.307 11.9635 13.2163 12 13.1038 12H6.89551Z\" fill=\"#00D964\">\u003c/path>\u003c/svg>\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 font-mono\">$\u003c!-- -->0.7309\u003c/div>\u003cdiv class=\"ml-1 inline-flex items-center justify-center gap-1\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 flex truncate font-mono font-normal\">\u003cdiv>+\u003c/div>3.13\u003c!-- -->%\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003ca title=\"View price details\" class=\"align-center bg-charcoal-25 flex h-full flex-shrink-0 cursor-pointer text-xs\" href=\"/price/tron\">\u003cspan class=\"font-sans font-semibold text-3xs text-color-black \">\u003cdiv class=\"flex h-full min-w-0 items-center whitespace-nowrap px-4\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600\">TRX\u003c/div>\u003csvg class=\"h-[20px] w-[20px]\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\" height=\"20\" viewBox=\"0 0 20 20\" width=\"20\" fill=\"none\">\u003cpath d=\"M6.89551 12C6.78301 12 6.69238 11.9625 6.62363 11.8875C6.55488 11.8125 6.52051 11.725 6.52051 11.625C6.52051 11.6111 6.56135 11.5224 6.64303 11.3589L9.60384 8.39579C9.6594 8.34024 9.7219 8.29857 9.79134 8.27079C9.86079 8.24301 9.93023 8.22913 9.99967 8.22913C10.0691 8.22913 10.1386 8.24301 10.208 8.27079C10.2775 8.29857 10.34 8.34024 10.3955 8.39579L13.3563 11.3582C13.3972 11.399 13.4278 11.4433 13.4482 11.491C13.4686 11.5386 13.4788 11.5868 13.4788 11.6354C13.4788 11.7326 13.4445 11.8177 13.3757 11.8906C13.307 11.9635 13.2163 12 13.1038 12H6.89551Z\" fill=\"#00D964\">\u003c/path>\u003c/svg>\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 font-mono\">$\u003c!-- -->0.2271\u003c/div>\u003cdiv class=\"ml-1 inline-flex items-center justify-center gap-1\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 flex truncate font-mono font-normal\">\u003cdiv>+\u003c/div>0.25\u003c!-- -->%\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003ca title=\"View price details\" class=\"align-center bg-charcoal-25 flex h-full flex-shrink-0 cursor-pointer text-xs\" href=\"/price/wrapped-bitcoin\">\u003cspan class=\"font-sans font-semibold text-3xs text-color-black \">\u003cdiv class=\"flex h-full min-w-0 items-center whitespace-nowrap px-4\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600\">WBTC\u003c/div>\u003csvg class=\"h-[20px] w-[20px]\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\" height=\"20\" viewBox=\"0 0 20 20\" width=\"20\" fill=\"none\">\u003cpath d=\"M6.89551 12C6.78301 12 6.69238 11.9625 6.62363 11.8875C6.55488 11.8125 6.52051 11.725 6.52051 11.625C6.52051 11.6111 6.56135 11.5224 6.64303 11.3589L9.60384 8.39579C9.6594 8.34024 9.7219 8.29857 9.79134 8.27079C9.86079 8.24301 9.93023 8.22913 9.99967 8.22913C10.0691 8.22913 10.1386 8.24301 10.208 8.27079C10.2775 8.29857 10.34 8.34024 10.3955 8.39579L13.3563 11.3582C13.3972 11.399 13.4278 11.4433 13.4482 11.491C13.4686 11.5386 13.4788 11.5868 13.4788 11.6354C13.4788 11.7326 13.4445 11.8177 13.3757 11.8906C13.307 11.9635 13.2163 12 13.1038 12H6.89551Z\" fill=\"#00D964\">\u003c/path>\u003c/svg>\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 font-mono\">$\u003c!-- -->86,852.07\u003c/div>\u003cdiv class=\"ml-1 inline-flex items-center justify-center gap-1\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 flex truncate font-mono font-normal\">\u003cdiv>+\u003c/div>1.21\u003c!-- -->%\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003ca title=\"View price details\" class=\"align-center bg-charcoal-25 flex h-full flex-shrink-0 cursor-pointer text-xs\" href=\"/price/chainlink\">\u003cspan class=\"font-sans font-semibold text-3xs text-color-black \">\u003cdiv class=\"flex h-full min-w-0 items-center whitespace-nowrap px-4\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600\">LINK\u003c/div>\u003csvg class=\"h-[20px] w-[20px]\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\" height=\"20\" viewBox=\"0 0 20 20\" width=\"20\" fill=\"none\">\u003cpath d=\"M6.89551 12C6.78301 12 6.69238 11.9625 6.62363 11.8875C6.55488 11.8125 6.52051 11.725 6.52051 11.625C6.52051 11.6111 6.56135 11.5224 6.64303 11.3589L9.60384 8.39579C9.6594 8.34024 9.7219 8.29857 9.79134 8.27079C9.86079 8.24301 9.93023 8.22913 9.99967 8.22913C10.0691 8.22913 10.1386 8.24301 10.208 8.27079C10.2775 8.29857 10.34 8.34024 10.3955 8.39579L13.3563 11.3582C13.3972 11.399 13.4278 11.4433 13.4482 11.491C13.4686 11.5386 13.4788 11.5868 13.4788 11.6354C13.4788 11.7326 13.4445 11.8177 13.3757 11.8906C13.307 11.9635 13.2163 12 13.1038 12H6.89551Z\" fill=\"#00D964\">\u003c/path>\u003c/svg>\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 font-mono\">$\u003c!-- -->15.02\u003c/div>\u003cdiv class=\"ml-1 inline-flex items-center justify-center gap-1\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 flex truncate font-mono font-normal\">\u003cdiv>+\u003c/div>4.60\u003c!-- -->%\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003ca title=\"View price details\" class=\"align-center bg-charcoal-25 flex h-full flex-shrink-0 cursor-pointer text-xs\" href=\"/price/toncoin\">\u003cspan class=\"font-sans font-semibold text-3xs text-color-black \">\u003cdiv class=\"flex h-full min-w-0 items-center whitespace-nowrap px-4\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600\">TON\u003c/div>\u003csvg class=\"h-[20px] w-[20px]\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\" height=\"20\" viewBox=\"0 0 20 20\" width=\"20\" fill=\"none\">\u003cpath d=\"M6.89551 12C6.78301 12 6.69238 11.9625 6.62363 11.8875C6.55488 11.8125 6.52051 11.725 6.52051 11.625C6.52051 11.6111 6.56135 11.5224 6.64303 11.3589L9.60384 8.39579C9.6594 8.34024 9.7219 8.29857 9.79134 8.27079C9.86079 8.24301 9.93023 8.22913 9.99967 8.22913C10.0691 8.22913 10.1386 8.24301 10.208 8.27079C10.2775 8.29857 10.34 8.34024 10.3955 8.39579L13.3563 11.3582C13.3972 11.399 13.4278 11.4433 13.4482 11.491C13.4686 11.5386 13.4788 11.5868 13.4788 11.6354C13.4788 11.7326 13.4445 11.8177 13.3757 11.8906C13.307 11.9635 13.2163 12 13.1038 12H6.89551Z\" fill=\"#00D964\">\u003c/path>\u003c/svg>\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 font-mono\">$\u003c!-- -->3.6585\u003c/div>\u003cdiv class=\"ml-1 inline-flex items-center justify-center gap-1\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 flex truncate font-mono font-normal\">\u003cdiv>+\u003c/div>0.27\u003c!-- -->%\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003ca title=\"View price details\" 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13.2163 12 13.1038 12H6.89551Z\" fill=\"#00D964\">\u003c/path>\u003c/svg>\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 font-mono\">$\u003c!-- -->9.7618\u003c/div>\u003cdiv class=\"ml-1 inline-flex items-center justify-center gap-1\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 flex truncate font-mono font-normal\">\u003cdiv>+\u003c/div>0.11\u003c!-- -->%\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003ca title=\"View price details\" class=\"align-center bg-charcoal-25 flex h-full flex-shrink-0 cursor-pointer text-xs\" href=\"/price/xlm\">\u003cspan class=\"font-sans font-semibold text-3xs text-color-black \">\u003cdiv class=\"flex h-full min-w-0 items-center whitespace-nowrap px-4\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600\">XLM\u003c/div>\u003csvg class=\"h-[20px] w-[20px]\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\" height=\"20\" viewBox=\"0 0 20 20\" width=\"20\" fill=\"none\">\u003cpath d=\"M6.89551 12C6.78301 12 6.69238 11.9625 6.62363 11.8875C6.55488 11.8125 6.52051 11.725 6.52051 11.625C6.52051 11.6111 6.56135 11.5224 6.64303 11.3589L9.60384 8.39579C9.6594 8.34024 9.7219 8.29857 9.79134 8.27079C9.86079 8.24301 9.93023 8.22913 9.99967 8.22913C10.0691 8.22913 10.1386 8.24301 10.208 8.27079C10.2775 8.29857 10.34 8.34024 10.3955 8.39579L13.3563 11.3582C13.3972 11.399 13.4278 11.4433 13.4482 11.491C13.4686 11.5386 13.4788 11.5868 13.4788 11.6354C13.4788 11.7326 13.4445 11.8177 13.3757 11.8906C13.307 11.9635 13.2163 12 13.1038 12H6.89551Z\" fill=\"#00D964\">\u003c/path>\u003c/svg>\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 font-mono\">$\u003c!-- -->0.2891\u003c/div>\u003cdiv class=\"ml-1 inline-flex items-center justify-center gap-1\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 flex truncate font-mono font-normal\">\u003cdiv>+\u003c/div>3.02\u003c!-- -->%\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/span>\u003c/a>\u003ca title=\"View price details\" class=\"align-center bg-charcoal-25 flex h-full flex-shrink-0 cursor-pointer text-xs\" href=\"/price/avax\">\u003cspan class=\"font-sans font-semibold 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class=\"text-charcoal-600\">SHIB\u003c/div>\u003csvg class=\"h-[20px] w-[20px]\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\" height=\"20\" viewBox=\"0 0 20 20\" width=\"20\" fill=\"none\">\u003cpath d=\"M6.89551 12C6.78301 12 6.69238 11.9625 6.62363 11.8875C6.55488 11.8125 6.52051 11.725 6.52051 11.625C6.52051 11.6111 6.56135 11.5224 6.64303 11.3589L9.60384 8.39579C9.6594 8.34024 9.7219 8.29857 9.79134 8.27079C9.86079 8.24301 9.93023 8.22913 9.99967 8.22913C10.0691 8.22913 10.1386 8.24301 10.208 8.27079C10.2775 8.29857 10.34 8.34024 10.3955 8.39579L13.3563 11.3582C13.3972 11.399 13.4278 11.4433 13.4482 11.491C13.4686 11.5386 13.4788 11.5868 13.4788 11.6354C13.4788 11.7326 13.4445 11.8177 13.3757 11.8906C13.307 11.9635 13.2163 12 13.1038 12H6.89551Z\" fill=\"#00D964\">\u003c/path>\u003c/svg>\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 font-mono\">$\u003c!-- -->0.0₄1356\u003c/div>\u003cdiv class=\"ml-1 inline-flex items-center justify-center gap-1\">\u003cdiv class=\"text-charcoal-600 flex truncate 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Replacing Tesla: StanChart\u003c/h1>\u003ch2 class=\"font-headline-xs text-charcoal-600\">Bitcoin could be viewed as serving multiple purposes in a tech portfolio, paving the way for more institutional buying, the bank's digital asset research head said.\u003c/h2>\u003cdiv class=\"uppercase font-metadata font-medium\">By\u003c!-- --> \u003ca class=\"hover:underline\" href=\"/author/krisztian-sandor\">Krisztian Sandor\u003c/a>\u003cspan class=\"mx-1\">|\u003c/span>\u003cspan>Edited by\u003c!-- --> \u003c/span>\u003ca class=\"hover:underline\" href=\"/author/stephen-alpher\">Stephen Alpher\u003c/a>\u003c/div>\u003cdiv class=\"font-metadata flex gap-4 text-charcoal-600 flex-col md:block\">\u003cspan>Updated\u003c!-- --> \u003c!-- -->Mar 24, 2025, 6:54 p.m. \u003c!-- --> UTC\u003c/span>\u003cspan class=\"md:ml-2\">Published\u003c!-- --> \u003c!-- -->Mar 24, 2025, 4:52 p.m. \u003c!-- --> UTC\u003c/span>\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003c/div>\u003cdiv class=\"article-content-wrapper flex flex-col 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This new "Mag 7B" would swap out Tesla for bitcoin.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>The result? The Mag7B produced consistently higher risk-adjusted returns than the original group over the past seven years, reinforcing BTC's role in a tech-focused portfolio, said Kendrick. The Mag7B outperformed the Mag7 on average by around 1% with nearly 2% lower volatility on an annual basis, a key benefit to institutional investors and large asset allocators, he continued.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cfigure>\u003cimg alt=\"Mag7 with BTC instead of Tesla (Standard Chartered)\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"978\" height=\"700\" decoding=\"async\" data-nimg=\"1\" class=\"rounded-md\" style=\"color:transparent;background-size:cover;background-position:50% 50%;background-repeat:no-repeat;background-image:url("data:image/png;base64,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")\" srcSet=\"/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.sanity.io%2Fimages%2Fs3y3vcno%2Fproduction%2Fc07ba71d58f0508578fc2df3aed4ec36409c01cc-978x700.png%3Fauto%3Dformat&w=1080&q=75 1x, /_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.sanity.io%2Fimages%2Fs3y3vcno%2Fproduction%2Fc07ba71d58f0508578fc2df3aed4ec36409c01cc-978x700.png%3Fauto%3Dformat&w=2048&q=75 2x\" src=\"/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.sanity.io%2Fimages%2Fs3y3vcno%2Fproduction%2Fc07ba71d58f0508578fc2df3aed4ec36409c01cc-978x700.png%3Fauto%3Dformat&w=2048&q=75\"/>\u003cdiv class=\"flex justify-between font-body-sm text-charcoal-600 mt-1 leading-[1.3125rem] tracking-normal\">\u003cfigcaption class=\"whitespace-nowrap overflow-hidden text-ellipsis w-[calc(100%_-12ch)]\">Mag7B return/volatility vs. Mag7 (Standard Chartered)\u003c!-- --> \u003c/figcaption>\u003c/div>\u003c/figure>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>"BTC should be seen as serving multiple purposes in investor portfolios. This would open up the possibility of even more institutional buying," Kendrick noted.\u003c/p>\u003cp>\u003c/p>\u003cp>Asset managers have been advocating for including bitcoin in investment portfolios for diversification purposes. For example, BlackRock, the world's largest asset manager, \u003ca target=\"_blank\" href=\"https://www.blackrock.com/institutions/en-zz/insights/portfolio-design/sizing-bitcoin-in-portfolios\">recommended\u003c/a> considering an up to 2% BTC allocation in traditional stock and bond portfolios. 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Its portfolio, which used to read virtual reality and Bitcoin, now reads virtual reality and Blockchain, reflecting Draper’s concerns around Bitcoin’s inability to secure mainstream adoption.\n\nIn fact, in the interview, Draper emphasized that the buzz around Bitcoin has declined, as consumers failed to adopt the cryptocurrency. However, he still believes the Blockchain technology and Bitcoin have great potential in the global financial market, as banks and financial institutions are partnering with startups to exploit the technology and experiment with Bitcoin.\n\n“What’s really happening is that every bank in the country is experimenting with the Blockchain and experimenting with Bitcoin to figure out where the value is. For the first time ever, they’re working hand in hand with startups. Banks are asking startups for help to build products. And I’ve never heard of a time where that has ever happened,” explained Draper.","image":{"url":"https://images.cointelegraph.com/images/1200_aHR0cHM6Ly9zMy5jb2ludGVsZWdyYXBoLmNvbS9zdG9yYWdlL3VwbG9hZHMvdmlldy8zN2U4YTM2NWExNzU2ODg4NDhmNTgyOTcyNmY2OGY5Yi5qcGc=.jpg","_id":"67e28b7e0e84d5a2dd3dcdca"},"html":"\u003cp dir=\"ltr\">\u003ca href=\"https://cointelegraph.com/news/accelerator-boost-vc-ceo-adam-draper-believes-singapore-is-the-place-for-bitcoin-in-asia\" target=\"_blank\">Adam Draper\u003c/a>, founder and managing director of virtual reality and Blockchain-focused venture capital firm, Boost VC, recently stated in an interview that he believes Bitcoin and the Blockchain technology will operate as backend technologies behind reserve currencies like the U.S. dollar.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp dir=\"ltr\">Over the past two years, an increasing number of banks and financial institutions have allocated significant amount of capital and resources into the development and research of the Blockchain technology and Bitcoin. A study released by prominent analyst firm Greenwich Associates, notes that \u003ca href=\"https://www.greenwich.com/fixed-income-fx-cmds/blockchain-adoption-capital-markets\" rel=\"nofollow,noopener\" target=\"_blank\">$1 bln\u003c/a> is spent annually on the development of Blockchain.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp dir=\"ltr\">In spite of the hype around Bitcoin and Blockchain’s rapidly increasing user base, market cap and demand, Draper believes that Bitcoin and its underlying technology will merely operate as a backend to reserve currencies, as it fails to replace the U.S. dollar as the global currency.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp dir=\"ltr\">Draper \u003ca href=\"http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/11/11/whatever-happened-to-bitcoin-adam-draper-has-the-answer/\" rel=\"nofollow,noopener\" target=\"_blank\">stated:\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cblockquote>\n\u003cp dir=\"ltr\">“I don’t think Bitcoin or Blockchain are going to be consumer facing. It’s going to be the backend for everything. I think that we will continue to use the U.S. dollar. But the way that the world is moving is all digital, and there needs to be a huge ledger that keeps tally of all those transactions that are happening globally — and that’s what the Blockchain is going to be doing.”\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\n\u003ch2 dir=\"ltr\">Bitcoin or Blockchain?\u003c/h2>\n\n\u003cp dir=\"ltr\">It is this belief of Draper that led Boost VC to shift its gear from Bitcoin towards Blockchain. Its portfolio, which used to read virtual reality and Bitcoin, now reads virtual reality and Blockchain, reflecting Draper’s concerns around Bitcoin’s inability to secure mainstream adoption.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp dir=\"ltr\">In fact, in the interview, Draper emphasized that the buzz around Bitcoin has declined, as consumers failed to adopt the cryptocurrency. However, he still believes the Blockchain technology and Bitcoin have great potential in the global financial market, as banks and financial institutions are partnering with startups to exploit the technology and experiment with Bitcoin.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp dir=\"ltr\">“What’s really happening is that every bank in the country is experimenting with the Blockchain and experimenting with Bitcoin to figure out where the value is. For the first time ever, they’re working hand in hand with startups. Banks are asking startups for help to build products. And I’ve never heard of a time where that has ever happened,” explained Draper.\u003c/p>","totalUpvotes":324,"score":328,"nReplies":0,"type":"ghost","description":"Adam Draper recently stated in an interview that he believes bitcoin and the blockchain technology will operate as backend technologies behind reserve currencies like the US dollars.","__at":"2025-03-25T10:54:54.647Z","boosted":false,"safeId":"cointelegraphcomnewsadamdraperbitcoinblockchainwillnotreplacecashwillserveasbackendfordollar","origin":"cointelegraph.com"},"cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-is-heading-towards-a-four-figure-price-analysts-say":{"original":{"headers":{"date":["Fri, 31 May 2019 10:35:09 GMT"],"content-type":["text/html; charset=UTF-8"],"transfer-encoding":["chunked"],"connection":["close"],"set-cookie":["__cfduid=d40ca51c57c921a1a0c8887bd5a980c4b1559298909; expires=Sat, 30-May-20 10:35:09 GMT; path=/; domain=.cointelegraph.com; HttpOnly; Secure","ct_session=eyJpdiI6InI1ZlB5UGFQekJaczJkZ2JnK2pYcFE9PSIsInZhbHVlIjoiQkFaVExFVlV4N29TWFBwc3lXbUdNbzcyaVdFTnBJNk84NlBHWUxlMVRzVW1iYURBTFwvUTEzVVFnMDZTMG93K2kiLCJtYWMiOiIzMTM4MGQyYTk5MTdjMWIzZTA5MDI2M2FhYmQwMTM0OTM0Y2JiNzcxNTE0MjliZTdhNjU4YjU2Njc5OGVlZjg2In0%3D; path=/; httponly","auth=no; expires=Wed, 29-May-2024 10:35:09 GMT; Max-Age=157680000; path=/; httponly","__cflb=1046105638; Secure; path=/; expires=Fri, 31-May-19 11:05:09 GMT; HttpOnly"],"x-powered-by":["PHP/7.3.0"],"x-authorized":["1"],"x-time":["-"],"x-cache-status":["BYPASS"],"x-node":["ds24"],"expect-ct":["max-age=604800, report-uri=\"https://report-uri.cloudflare.com/cdn-cgi/beacon/expect-ct\""],"server":["cloudflare"],"cf-ray":["4df84ca6dcbdd498-BRU"],"content-encoding":["gzip"]},"status":200,"description":"Analysts state that once bitcoin breaks the US$790~800 region, it will quickly head towards a 4 figure price.","tags":["Bitcoin News","Bitcoin Price"],"id":8585,"views":1140,"shares":1617},"title":"Bitcoin is Heading Towards a Four Figure Price, Analysts Say","author":"Joseph Young","replies":["t3_5e9jr8"],"directReplies":["t3_5e9jr8"],"upvotes":1628.4,"indicators":[],"topics":[{"topic":"all","activity":1639,"score":1656,"relativeScore":1},{"topic":"crypto","activity":1639,"score":1656,"relativeScore":1},{"topic":"btc","activity":1639,"score":1656,"relativeScore":1}],"context":{"all":{"topic":"all","activity":1639,"score":1656,"relativeScore":1},"crypto":{"topic":"crypto","activity":1639,"score":1656,"relativeScore":1},"btc":{"topic":"btc","activity":1639,"score":1656,"relativeScore":1}},"gotReplies":false,"pinned":{},"editorializers":{},"parents":[{"_id":"cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-trading-at-900-16-percent-above-average-in-india","url":"https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-trading-at-900-16-percent-above-average-in-india","type":"reference"},{"_id":"cointelegraph.com/news/trump-connected-billionaire-peter-thiel-bitcoin-threatens-fiat-tax-authorities-cant-break-codes","url":"https://cointelegraph.com/news/trump-connected-billionaire-peter-thiel-bitcoin-threatens-fiat-tax-authorities-cant-break-codes","type":"reference"},{"_id":"799179131342749696","type":"reference"}],"referrals":[],"_id":"cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-is-heading-towards-a-four-figure-price-analysts-say","updates":7,"time":1479735900000,"first":1490228215784,"url":"https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-is-heading-towards-a-four-figure-price-analysts-say","added":"2021-04-14T14:49:32.759Z","totalUpvotes":1639,"nReplies":1,"score":1656,"source":"cointelegraph.com","channel":["r/btc"],"content":"Over the past two weeks, the demand for Bitcoin has significantly increased due to global financial market instability, major economic changes and currency devaluation. Analysts state that once Bitcoin breaks the $790-800 region, it will quickly head towards a four figure price. The demonetization of 500 and 1,000 bank notes in India, the devaluation of the Chinese yuan, the crackdown on Chinese wealth management products (WMPs) and the election of Donald Trump, among many other factors, has led to the price of Bitcoin to escalate quite rapidly. On Oct. 22, Bitcoin was being traded at around $660 on average in most markets. By Nov. 20, the Bitcoin price almost reached $800, surpassing its previous peak of $775. Despite yesterday’s fall, which sent Bitcoin back to the $732 region, it has demonstrated nearly a $100 monthly increase since late October, outperforming all reserve currencies, most assets and altcoins. Breaking $800 Some analysts state that once Bitcoin breaks $800 with resistance, the digital currency will promptly head towards a four figure price. Specifically, if it is backed with significant economic and financial change that pressures high profile investors and traders to seek alternative safe haven assets, Bitcoin will most likely reach a four figure price. Once #Bitcoin price breaks $790 - $800 resistance with volume, I think we are heading back to a 4 figure Bitcoin price fast. pic.twitter.com/p0FNIQ6fpZ — Renegadeinvestoruk (@sharkybit) November 17, 2016 Upon the election of Donald Trump, the price of Bitcoin immediately surged to around $730. A substantial number of analysts, traders and users stated that such an increase in price is only short term and that without high resistance levels, it is bound to decline back to its previous point. However, the $730 margin was used as a resistance level for Bitcoin to again increase to $770. In spite of the recent fall, Bitcoin is still hovering at $737, a value higher than the period of global financial market turmoil caused by the election of Trump. Thus, it is highly likely that Bitcoin will head towards a four figure price once it breaks $800, particularly if it is backed by investors seeking safer assets to protect their wealth.","html":"\u003cp>Over the past two weeks, the demand for Bitcoin has significantly increased due to global financial market instability, major economic changes and currency devaluation. Analysts state that once Bitcoin breaks the $790-800 region, it will quickly head towards a four figure price.\u003c/p> \u003cp>The demonetization of 500 and 1,000 bank notes in \u003ca href=\"https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-trading-at-900-16-percent-above-average-in-india\" target=\"_blank\">India\u003c/a>, the devaluation of the Chinese yuan, the crackdown on Chinese wealth management products (WMPs) and the election of \u003ca href=\"https://cointelegraph.com/news/trump-connected-billionaire-peter-thiel-bitcoin-threatens-fiat-tax-authorities-cant-break-codes\" target=\"_blank\">Donald Trump\u003c/a>, among many other factors, has led to the price of Bitcoin to escalate quite rapidly.\u003c/p> \u003cp>On Oct. 22, Bitcoin was being traded at around $660 on average in most markets. By Nov. 20, the Bitcoin price almost reached $800, surpassing its previous peak of $775.\u003c/p> \u003cp>Despite yesterday’s fall, which sent Bitcoin back to the $732 region, it has demonstrated nearly a $100 monthly increase since late October, outperforming all reserve currencies, most assets and altcoins.\u003c/p> \u003ch2>Breaking $800\u003c/h2> \u003cp>Some analysts state that once Bitcoin breaks $800 with resistance, the digital currency will promptly head towards a four figure price. Specifically, if it is backed with significant economic and financial change that pressures high profile investors and traders to seek alternative safe haven assets, Bitcoin will most likely reach a four figure price.\u003c/p> \u003cblockquote> \u003cp>Once \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash\" target=\"_blank\">\u003cspan class=\"bloat\">#Bitcoin\u003c/span>\u003c/a> price breaks $790 - $800 resistance with volume, I think we are heading back to a 4 figure Bitcoin price fast. \u003ca href=\"https://t.co/p0FNIQ6fpZ\" target=\"_blank\">pic.twitter.com/p0FNIQ6fpZ\u003c/a>\u003c/p> — Renegadeinvestoruk (@sharkybit) \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/sharkybit/status/799179131342749696\" target=\"_blank\">November 17, 2016\u003c/a>\u003c/blockquote> \u003cp>Upon the election of Donald Trump, the price of Bitcoin immediately surged to around $730. A substantial number of analysts, traders and users stated that such an increase in price is only short term and that without high resistance levels, it is bound to decline back to its previous point.\u003c/p> \u003cp>However, the $730 margin was used as a resistance level for Bitcoin to again increase to $770. 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While our bias remains generally bullish for the time being, we realize the market could stay around for awhile first.\n\nLast week we saw a somewhat surprising continuation of the near term rally up towards the $755 level where sellers began to move in to put a cap on price. Following that local top, price began to show signs of diminishing momentum on some bearish formations, which led to the sell-off we saw yesterday morning in the markets. Many traders are attributing this most recent pullback solely to the drama between Core and Unlimited, which could very well have been a catalyst for the move, however the technicals were telegraphing the need for such a move going back to Thursday of last week. Now that near term support has been found in the $710 range, the market is forming some rather unorthodox patterns which indicates to us that there remains some indecision at these prices. While we continue to think the downside risks are relatively limited, we would not be surprised to see slightly lower prices prior to a test of the highs, mainly due to the near term technicals.\n\nSpeaking of technical conditions, we return to the daily chart today for a closer look at the medium term outlook, going into what is a holiday shortened week for U.S. players - Thanksgiving. First of all, we can see that price is still in the upper supply area, despite spiking out of it briefly yesterday, and this has created, what could be considered, a rising wedge formation. This is typically a bearish pattern that results in a breakdown below the lower trendline, as happened on the sell-off over this past weekend, which is given even more credence when combined with still overbought and bearishly divergent momentum indicators. Additionally, price remains outside of the volume profile value area, the point of control (PoC) is still well below the market and trading volumes need to pick up on USD exchanges before a breakout.\n\nOn the other hand, the shorter term EMA’s are still stacking towards the upside, the 200 SMA is now decidedly bullish, the A/D line continues to trend higher and we have a series of higher lows working, so the bulls do remain in control for now. Having said that, even within the context of these bullish indications, there is still room to move lower prior to retesting the $755 and $778 highs, meaning price could easily move down to $650 while maintaining a longer term bullish bias. Multiple areas of both strong support and strong resistance above and below the market have us thinking that perhaps a sideways range extension is possible over the course of this unorthodox trading week, which would then set the stage for the year end fireworks we have been expecting over the past few months.\n\n\n\n- Technical Analysis by BBA\n\nGenerally speaking not all that much has changed in terms of our forecast, despite the move lower we saw yesterday morning. Long term, things remain intact in terms of the bull market, which implies that we think there is significantly more upside than downside potential going into 2017, however we also acknowledge the fact that the technicals could use a more substantial recharge over the next week or two, at least prior to a breakout above the aforementioned resistance levels. Tldr: patience and discipline remain virtues as the market ponders where to head next.\n\nBullBear Analytics 15 Percent Discount For Life\n\nBullBear Analytics is the longest standing cryptocurrency forecast service in existence. BBA began posting Bitcoin price reports and updates based on technical analysis via Bitcointalk.org back in late 2010, and has evolved into a buzzing community of savvy and professional cryptocurrency traders. Adam Wyatt (@AKWAnalytics) is BBA’s COO & Chief Analyst.\n\nWe are offering a special discount to our Cointelegraph followers so enter ‘BBA15FE’ at checkout for a 15 percent discount on all packages for life! Thanks, and have a great BITday!\n\nDisclaimer: Please always do your own due diligence, and consult your financial advisor. Author owns and trades Bitcoins and other financial markets mentioned in this communication. We never provide actual trading recommendations. Trading remains at your own risk. Never invest unless you can afford to lose your entire investment. Please read our full terms of service and disclaimer at the BullBear Analytics Legal.","image":{"url":"https://images.cointelegraph.com/images/1200_aHR0cHM6Ly9zMy5jb2ludGVsZWdyYXBoLmNvbS9zdG9yYWdlL3VwbG9hZHMvdmlldy8xMWE2MDI4MDZhMmVkNTcxM2FjNDYzMGU3MGQyOGEzNC5qcGc=.jpg","_id":"67e28b7e0e84d5a2dd3dcdcb"},"html":"\u003cp dir=\"ltr\">Last week Bitcoin exhibited relative strength in the marketplace when compared to precious metals, adding to the fundamental bull case, however the near term technicals are saying that perhaps the market is not yet ready for a breakout move higher. While our bias remains generally bullish for the time being, we realize the market could stay around for awhile first.\n\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"ltr\">Last week we saw a somewhat surprising continuation of the near term rally up towards the $755 level where sellers began to move in to put a cap on price. Following that local top, price began to show signs of diminishing momentum on some bearish formations, which led to the sell-off we saw yesterday morning in the markets. Many traders are attributing this most recent pullback solely to the drama between Core and Unlimited, which could very well have been a catalyst for the move, however the technicals were telegraphing the need for such a move going back to Thursday of last week. Now that near term support has been found in the $710 range, the market is forming some rather unorthodox patterns which indicates to us that there remains some indecision at these prices. While we continue to think the downside risks are relatively limited, we would not be surprised to see slightly lower prices prior to a test of the highs, mainly due to the near term technicals.\n\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"ltr\">Speaking of technical conditions, we return to the daily chart today for a closer look at the medium term outlook, going into what is a holiday shortened week for U.S. players - Thanksgiving. First of all, we can see that price is still in the upper supply area, despite spiking out of it briefly yesterday, and this has created, what could be considered, a rising wedge formation. This is typically a bearish pattern that results in a breakdown below the lower trendline, as happened on the sell-off over this past weekend, which is given even more credence when combined with still overbought and bearishly divergent momentum indicators. Additionally, price remains outside of the volume profile value area, the point of control (PoC) is still well below the market and trading volumes need to pick up on USD exchanges before a breakout.\n\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"ltr\">On the other hand, the shorter term EMA’s are still stacking towards the upside, the 200 SMA is now decidedly bullish, the A/D line continues to trend higher and we have a series of higher lows working, so the bulls do remain in control for now. Having said that, even within the context of these bullish indications, there is still room to move lower prior to retesting the $755 and $778 highs, meaning price could easily move down to $650 while maintaining a longer term bullish bias. Multiple areas of both strong support and strong resistance above and below the market have us thinking that perhaps a sideways range extension is possible over the course of this unorthodox trading week, which would then set the stage for the year end fireworks we have been expecting over the past few months.\n\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"ltr\">\u003cimg width=\"1395\" height=\"729\" alt=\"Bitcoin price analysis\" src=\"//cointelegraph.com/storage/uploads/view/2bcb819d36f63de729482ed746b15147.png\" title=\"Bitcoin price analysis\">\n\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"ltr\" style=\"text-align: center;\">\u003cem>- \u003ca href=\"https://www.bullbearanalytics.com/\" rel=\"nofollow,noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Technical Analysis by BBA\u003c/a>\u003c/em>\n\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"ltr\">Generally speaking not all that much has changed in terms of our forecast, despite the move lower we saw yesterday morning. 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The government states that regulations will be introduced by the first quarter of 2017.\n\nSeveral meetings have taken place since the FSC’s initial announcement of a potential introduction of Bitcoin regulation. South Korean media reported that the task force agreed to design its regulatory frameworks for Bitcoin companies based on the regulations in Japan and the U.S.\n\nWhile regulations greatly vary between states in the U.S., Japan has a unified regulatory framework in which Bitcoin startups are required to obtain licenses to operate. That means, by early 2017, South Korean Bitcoin startups and exchanges, including Tim Draper-backed Coinplug and Softbank-invested Korbit, will have to deal with a BitLicense-like regulatory environment.\n\nEffect on startups\n\nBased on the FSC’s stance on Bitcoin and its concerns for illicit purchases and use cases surrounding digital currencies, it is highly likely that KYC/AML policies will be strengthened for Bitcoin companies.\n\nBitcoin exchanges will be subjected to particularly strict KYC/AML policies, as the task force, FSC and law enforcement will require exchanges to submit an extensive overview of users and their trading histories.\n\nIt is also likely that South Korea may see a Coinbase-IRS conflict with its existing Bitcoin exchanges, as the commission believes Bitcoin and other digital currencies are used for tax-related crimes. In this case, exchanges will be required to hand over personal data and financial information of their users to law enforcement, which will then be shared with the National Tax Service.\n\nThe commission stated:\n\n\n“Digital currency is often used for money laundering, drug trafficking and tax-related crimes since it is free from regulation.”\n\n\nAlthough South Korean Bitcoin exchanges currently have extensive KYC/AML verification phases, with the new regulatory frameworks and licensing system in place, it could become increasing difficult in 2017 for Korean traders to purchase and sell Bitcoin without providing personal and financial information.","image":{"url":"https://images.cointelegraph.com/images/1200_aHR0cHM6Ly9zMy5jb2ludGVsZWdyYXBoLmNvbS9zdG9yYWdlL3VwbG9hZHMvdmlldy83ODBkYThmNjI2ZTk1MTk5MTZhNzFmNmYxN2EzYjc5Yy5qcGc=.jpg","_id":"67e28b7e0e84d5a2dd3dcdcc"},"html":"\u003cp dir=\"ltr\">The South Korean Financial Services Commission (FSC) has established a task force to design regulatory framework for Bitcoin companies and users. The government states that \u003ca href=\"https://https://cointelegraph.com/news/korea-dubai-move-to-regulate-bitcoin\" target=\"_blank\">regulations will be introduced\u003c/a> by the first quarter of 2017.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp dir=\"ltr\">Several meetings have taken place since the FSC’s initial announcement of a potential introduction of Bitcoin regulation. South Korean media reported that the task force agreed to design its regulatory frameworks for Bitcoin companies based on the regulations in \u003ca href=\"https://cointelegraph.com/news/japan-recognise-bitcoin-payments-legal\" target=\"_blank\">Japan\u003c/a> and the U.S.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp dir=\"ltr\">While regulations greatly vary between states in the U.S., Japan has a unified regulatory framework in which Bitcoin startups are required to obtain licenses to operate. That means, by early 2017, South Korean Bitcoin startups and exchanges, including Tim Draper-backed Coinplug and Softbank-invested Korbit, will have to deal with a BitLicense-like regulatory environment.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003ch2 dir=\"ltr\">Effect on startups\u003c/h2>\n\n\u003cp dir=\"ltr\">Based on the FSC’s stance on Bitcoin and its concerns for illicit purchases and use cases surrounding digital currencies, it is highly likely that KYC/AML policies will be strengthened for Bitcoin companies.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp dir=\"ltr\">Bitcoin exchanges will be subjected to particularly strict KYC/AML policies, as the task force, FSC and law enforcement will require exchanges to submit an extensive overview of users and their trading histories.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp dir=\"ltr\">It is also likely that South Korea may see a \u003ca href=\"https://cointelegraph.com/news/coinbase-will-take-irs-to-court-over-consumer-privacy-attack\" target=\"_blank\">Coinbase-IRS conflict\u003c/a> with its existing Bitcoin exchanges, as the commission believes Bitcoin and other digital currencies are used for tax-related crimes. In this case, exchanges will be required to hand over personal data and financial information of their users to law enforcement, which will then be shared with the National Tax Service.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp dir=\"ltr\">The commission \u003ca href=\"http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=3026364&cloc=etc%7Cjad%7Cgooglenews\" rel=\"nofollow,noopener\" target=\"_blank\">stated:\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cblockquote>\n\u003cp dir=\"ltr\">“Digital currency is often used for money laundering, drug trafficking and tax-related crimes since it is free from regulation.”\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\n\u003cp dir=\"ltr\">Although South Korean Bitcoin exchanges currently have extensive KYC/AML verification phases, with the new regulatory frameworks and licensing system in place, it could become increasing difficult in 2017 for Korean traders to purchase and sell Bitcoin without providing personal and financial 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Bitcoin.com does not endorse nor supports this product/service. Bitcoin.com is not responsible for or liable for any content, accuracy, quality, within the press release. Readers should do their own due diligence before taking any actions related to the promoted company or any of its affiliates or services. Bitcoin.com is not responsible, directly or indirectly, for any damage or loss caused or alleged to be caused by or in connection with the use of or reliance on any content, goods or services mentioned in the press release.\nWINGS Foundation is raising funds to create a Decentralized Platform for creating, funding and managing Projects using Bitcoin and other Blockchains\nWINGS Foundation (wings.ai), a decentralized platform to create, join and manage projects using decentralized autonomous organization (DAO) technology, has announced that donations over the first 48 hour period have reached the $1 million mark. 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WINGS makes DAO technology accessible to entrepreneurs and companies who are looking to leverage the global reach of bitcoin and other blockchains for project funding, the power of swarm intelligence powered forecast markets for higher quality decision-making, the versatility of smart contracts for a global decentralized agreement framework, and the ease of use of the instant messengers for audience reach.\nFor more information, visit the WINGS website at https://wings.ai.\nMedia Contact: Dominik Zynis, domi@wings.ai","html":"\n\n\n\t \u003cimg src=\"https://news.bitcoin.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/1million-1.jpg\">\n \n\t\t\u003cdiv>\n\n\n\u003c/div>\u003cp>This is a paid press release \u003ci>and should be treated as advertising and promotional material\u003c/i>. Bitcoin.com does not endorse nor supports this product/service. Bitcoin.com is not responsible for or liable for any content, accuracy, quality, within the press release. 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some background, I'm a second wave investor (from somewhere in 2013). I invested a fairly large % of my net worth in Bitcoin at the time and that now represents an even bigger % of my net worth. I own my fair share of bitcoins. I've also been closely following everything since then while going through the rollercoaster.\n\nI'm not going to argue the merits of segwit or the different blocksize increase attempts. But to be completely transparent, at the moment I support segwit adoption and I'm leaning towards a reasonable/cautious blocksize increase. I hope this issue can be fixed for good through some automation in the (probably far) future. I've long been a staunch core supporter as you can verify if you check my post history.\n\nWhat I want to argue about however is about the fear of a hardfork. This is such a touchy subject that I think advocating for a bitcoin implementation that would lead to a hardfork is currently banned from r/bitcoin. Which in my mind is dangerous.\n\nI think the first mistake is to name a hardfork of Bitcoin, an altcoin. This doesn't make any difference between a random token that copied part of Bitcoin's code base and a ledger that shares all the transaction history of Bitcoin from the Genesis block until the time of the split. Therefore in order to avoid confusion, I'd rather name the result of a hard-fork, an alt-bitcoin.\n\nAs a Bitcoin holder, I felt like I had to protect myself from the risks of another ledger overtaking Bitcoin and in order to do this I decided to buy any altcoin that would be over a certain treshold or that I thought would have a chance to threaten Bitcoin hegemony for different reasons. This is both very costly and very annoying. But the prudent investor tries to hedge when he has to.\n\nThere is nothing more that investors dislike than uncertainty. At the same time Bitcoin holds a very big promise, ideally it's supposed to provide an alternative to the current worldwide monetary system so it needs to be tested in fire. It needs to show it really is anti-fragile. And for that we can't just sweep perceived fragilities under the rug, we need to attack them and the honeybadger needs to get back on its feets.\n\nContentious hardforks are seen as a big risk by many people. Ethereum was shown as the bad example not to follow. Because contentious hardforks results into 2 coins. Even a hardfork that would appear not contentious at first might result in 2 coins so some people argue we should never hardfork.\n\nThe problem is you can fear it, you can cover your eyes or your ears, you can prevent talking about it, but in the end, it's still possible to harfork, it's not that dificult and anything that can happen will eventually happen so we better get ready for it.\n\nCurrently the community is split into 2 parts of which we don't know the exact percentage. It could be anywhere from 90/10 to 50/50. We can see the point of view of both sides on their respective subreddits. I think this split is the result of a divergence of view that won't go away. More than that, I think that maybe Bitcoin can't do everything at the same time? Maybe there will be a need for a corporate Bitcoin and an crypto-anarchist Bitcoin. Today people argue about blocksize and decentralisation. Tomorrow they will argue about privacy or any other subject.\n\nI feel like the only way to solve this is through a contentious hardfork. Maybe 2 bitcoins will survive, maybe more, maybe not. Am I afraid of a short term price crash ? Yes, let's not kid ourselves. Traders will exploit any moment of fear and greed. But the more we talk about the possibility of a hardfork and the more \"priced in\" it will be. This shouldn't come as a surprise.\n\nMore than that, I would say that from the perspective on an investor trying to get into Bitcoin at the moment, I would be very worried about the uncertainties of a future hardfork. Because it has never happened and I don't know how the market and how the network are going to react. When we have been through this once and acknowledged the possibility of it, there will be less uncertainties. More investors will be able to invest knowing bitcoin stood in the fire of the hardfork and came out alive.\n\nAnother good point is that I'd rather have 2 bitcoins forging ahead and occupying their respective markets or fighting for domination rather than leaving the door for altcoins to take over in these fields left to them. Because I already own Bitcoins, I'd rather not have to buy other tokens. Eventually the market will decide if we need only one or two or more. I don't think there is a definitive answer at the moment on that. But I think money has tremendous network effects.\n\nFingers will be pointed at Ethereum eth/etc but I would say that many people ignored the possibility of 2 coins before their hardfork and now we know. We are already better prepared to deal with a hardfork than we were before the eth/etc split.\n\nWill it create a lot of troubles ? Very possibly... Exchanges will have deal with this, payment processors will have to deal with this, wallets, holders, it might be a mess, bad publicity and so on... Price might come under pressure. Investors might wait out to see which coin is going to win.\n\nBut we have this sword hanging over our neck, and I'd rather see it on the floor. Altcoins already own 10 to 20% of the crypto marketshare depending on the time. Some investors are already holding out to see if Bitcoin or Ethereum is going to win. A hardfork will show that the true power of Bitcoin is not in its open source technology, it's in the ledger.\n\nSo let's not be fearful of hardforks because ultimately we can't avoid them, instead we should prepare ourselves to be ready and discuss it as much as possible.\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\nHi /u/theymos I would value your input on this topic if you have time","timely":true,"first":1479726349320,"url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5e37hb/contentious_hard_forks_from_an_investor_standpoint/","totalUpvotes":677,"nReplies":151,"score":684,"html":"\u003cp>For some background, I'm a second wave investor (from somewhere in 2013). I invested a fairly large % of my net worth in Bitcoin at the time and that now represents an even bigger % of my net worth. I own my fair share of bitcoins. I've also been closely following everything since then while going through the rollercoaster.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>I'm not going to argue the merits of segwit or the different blocksize increase attempts. But to be completely transparent, at the moment I support segwit adoption and I'm leaning towards a reasonable/cautious blocksize increase. I hope this issue can be fixed for good through some automation in the (probably far) future. I've long been a staunch core supporter as you can verify if you check my post history.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>What I want to argue about however is about the fear of a hardfork. This is such a touchy subject that I think advocating for a bitcoin implementation that would lead to a hardfork is currently banned from \u003ca href=\"/r/bitcoin\">r/bitcoin\u003c/a>. Which in my mind is dangerous.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>I think the first mistake is to name a hardfork of Bitcoin, an altcoin. This doesn't make any difference between a random token that copied part of Bitcoin's code base and a ledger that shares all the transaction history of Bitcoin from the Genesis block until the time of the split. Therefore in order to avoid confusion, I'd rather name the result of a hard-fork, an alt-bitcoin.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>As a Bitcoin holder, I felt like I had to protect myself from the risks of another ledger overtaking Bitcoin and in order to do this I decided to buy any altcoin that would be over a certain treshold or that I thought would have a chance to threaten Bitcoin hegemony for different reasons. This is both very costly and very annoying. But the prudent investor tries to hedge when he has to.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>There is nothing more that investors dislike than uncertainty. At the same time Bitcoin holds a very big promise, ideally it's supposed to provide an alternative to the current worldwide monetary system so it needs to be tested in fire. It needs to show it really is anti-fragile. And for that we can't just sweep perceived fragilities under the rug, we need to attack them and the honeybadger needs to get back on its feets.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>Contentious hardforks are seen as a big risk by many people. Ethereum was shown as the bad example not to follow. Because contentious hardforks results into 2 coins. Even a hardfork that would appear not contentious at first might result in 2 coins so some people argue we should never hardfork.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>The problem is you can fear it, you can cover your eyes or your ears, you can prevent talking about it, but in the end, it's still possible to harfork, it's not that dificult and anything that can happen will eventually happen so we better get ready for it.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>Currently the community is split into 2 parts of which we don't know the exact percentage. It could be anywhere from 90/10 to 50/50. We can see the point of view of both sides on their respective subreddits. I think this split is the result of a divergence of view that won't go away. More than that, I think that maybe Bitcoin can't do everything at the same time? Maybe there will be a need for a corporate Bitcoin and an crypto-anarchist Bitcoin. Today people argue about blocksize and decentralisation. Tomorrow they will argue about privacy or any other subject.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>I feel like the only way to solve this is through a contentious hardfork. Maybe 2 bitcoins will survive, maybe more, maybe not. Am I afraid of a short term price crash ? Yes, let's not kid ourselves. Traders will exploit any moment of fear and greed. But the more we talk about the possibility of a hardfork and the more "priced in" it will be. This shouldn't come as a surprise.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>More than that, I would say that from the perspective on an investor trying to get into Bitcoin at the moment, I would be very worried about the uncertainties of a future hardfork. Because it has never happened and I don't know how the market and how the network are going to react. When we have been through this once and acknowledged the possibility of it, there will be less uncertainties. More investors will be able to invest knowing bitcoin stood in the fire of the hardfork and came out alive.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>Another good point is that I'd rather have 2 bitcoins forging ahead and occupying their respective markets or fighting for domination rather than leaving the door for altcoins to take over in these fields left to them. Because I already own Bitcoins, I'd rather not have to buy other tokens. Eventually the market will decide if we need only one or two or more. 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I am live now for the AMA.\n--------------------------------------\n\nEdit:\nThank you guys for participating. You can continue to post questions and I will respond to them tomorrow.\n\nEdit: \nI will keep monitoring this post and will reply if there are any more questions. Thanks once again for the additional questions.\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\nBtw, if you click 'give gold' on any comment, you'll see an option to pay using bitcoin :).","totalUpvotes":834,"score":843,"nReplies":188,"html":"\u003cp>Hi \u003ca href=\"/r/India\">/r/India\u003c/a>,\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>I am Sandeep Goenka, co-founder of Zebpay, an app-enabled bitcoin wallet and exchange.\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>About Bitcoin\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>Bitcoin is a digital asset and a payment system. It is commonly called a decentralized digital currency. It was invented in 2009. It is an open source software. This means, that no person, company or country owns this network just like no one owns the Internet. The system is peer-to-peer, that is, users can transact directly without an intermediary like a bank, a credit card company or a clearing house. Transactions are verified by network nodes and recorded in a public distributed ledger called the blockchain. \u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>Short explanation on what is bitcoin: \u003ca href=\"https://youtu.be/jiEllBFNaMA\">https://youtu.be/jiEllBFNaMA\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>A longer version - \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmU28mgihB4\">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmU28mgihB4\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>\u003cstrong>About Zebpay & Sandeep Goenka\u003c/strong>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>Zebpay is a bitcoin app available for Android and iPhones. It is the most popular bitcoin exchange in India. Users can buy / sell bitcoins, top up airtime and buy vouchers of Flipkart, Amazon and more. Zebpay is the first in the industry to launch bitcoin wallet app that enables bitcoin transactions using a mobile number without any complexities to understand bitcoin addresses, taking backups or fear of losing bitcoins. \u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>In just a year, Zebpay app has clocked 150,000 downloads and crossed a turnover of Rs 450 crores. After early adopters, bitcoins are attracting a new class of users like young professionals and HNIs. Users are now using bitcoin as an alternative investment. They are also using it for online shopping, airtime top up, paying bills and buying gift vouchers. We believe India will see an explosion of digital assets like bitcoins in next 2 years. 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Instead, they want force users to upgrade via sneaky \"Trojan Horse\" soft-forks - because _they want to take away your right to vote_**](https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5e4e7d/the_proper_terminology_for_a_hard_fork_should_be/).\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\n> People are starting to realize how toxic Gregory Maxwell is to Bitcoin, saying there are plenty of other coders who could do crypto and networking, and \"he drives away more talent than he can attract.\" Plus, he has a 10-year record of damaging open-source projects, going back to Wikipedia in 2006.\n\nhttps://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4klqtg/people_are_starting_to_realize_how_toxic_gregory/\n\n---\n\n> The day when the Bitcoin community realizes that Greg Maxwell and Core/Blockstream are the main thing holding us back (due to their dictatorship and censorship - and also due to being trapped in the procedural paradigm) - that will be the day when Bitcoin will start growing and prospering again.\n\nhttps://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4q95ri/the_day_when_the_bitcoin_community_realizes_that/\n\n---\n\n> Greg Maxwell used to have intelligent, nuanced opinions about \"max blocksize\", until he started getting paid by AXA, whose CEO is head of the Bilderberg Group - the legacy financial elite which Bitcoin aims to disintermediate. Greg always refuses to address this massive conflict of interest. Why?\n\nhttps://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4mlo0z/greg_maxwell_used_to_have_intelligent_nuanced/\n\n---\n\n> GMaxwell in 2006, during his Wikipedia vandalism episode: \"I feel great because I can still do what I want, and I don't have to worry what rude jerks think about me ... I can continue to do whatever I think is right without the burden of explaining myself to a shreaking [sic] mass of people.\"\n\nhttps://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/459iyw/gmaxwell_in_2006_during_his_wikipedia_vandalism/\n\n---\n\n> Blockstream is \"just another shitty startup. A 30-second review of their business plan makes it obvious that LN was never going to happen. Due to elasticity of demand, users either go to another coin, or don't use crypto at all. There is no demand for degraded 'off-chain' services.\" ~ u/jeanduluoz\n\nhttps://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/59hcvr/blockstream_is_just_another_shitty_startup_a/\n\n---\n\n> Core/Blockstream's artificially tiny 1 MB \"max blocksize\" is now causing major delays on the network. Users (senders & receivers) are able to transact, miners are losing income, and holders will lose money if this kills the rally. This whole mess was avoidable and it's all Core/Blockstream's fault.\n\nhttps://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/59epa0/coreblockstreams_artificially_tiny_1_mb_max/\n\n---\n\n> Why did Blockstream CTO u/nullc Greg Maxwell risk being exposed as a fraud, by lying about basic math? He tried to convince people that Bitcoin does *not* obey Metcalfe's Law (claiming that Bitcoin price & volume are *not* correlated, when they obviously *are*). Why is *this* lie so precious to him?\n\nhttps://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/57dsgz/why_did_blockstream_cto_unullc_greg_maxwell_risk/\n\n---\n\n> Adam Back & Greg Maxwell are experts in mathematics and engineering, but not in markets and economics. They should not be in charge of \"central planning\" for things like \"max blocksize\". They're desperately attempting to prevent the market from deciding on this. But it *will*, despite their efforts.\n\nhttps://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/46052e/adam_back_greg_maxwell_are_experts_in_mathematics/","timely":true,"first":1479757286443,"url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5e4grt/ujessquit_to_unullc_youre_so_fucking_shameless/","totalUpvotes":823,"nReplies":63,"score":832,"html":"\u003cp>This was one of several comments to \u003ca href=\"/u/nullc\">u/nullc\u003c/a>, many from people running major Bitcoin businesses, who are very, very unhappy about Blockstream's attempt to roll out SegWit-as-a-soft-fork:\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5dqeoq/why_opposing_segwit_is_justified/da6q0tg/\">https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5dqeoq/why_opposing_segwit_is_justified/da6q0tg/\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cp>Aside from the unnecessary and clumsy excess \u003cem>engineering\u003c/em> baggage of SegWit-as-a-soft-fork (SWSF), probably the most nefarious thing about SWSF is the \u003cem>political/economic\u003c/em> damage it would do to Bitcoin - using psy-ops and manipulation to try to convince people that somehow voting is *bad":\u003c/p>\n\n\u003cul>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5e4e7d/the_proper_terminology_for_a_hard_fork_should_be/\">\u003cstrong>Blockstream wants to \u003cem>prevent\u003c/em> upgrading via open, transparent and explicit "full node referendums". Instead, they want force users to upgrade via sneaky "Trojan Horse" soft-forks - because \u003cem>they want to take away your right to vote\u003c/em>\u003c/strong>\u003c/a>.\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\t\t\t\t\t\u003cbr class=\"merged\">\u003cbr>\u003cblockquote>\n\u003cp>People are starting to realize how toxic Gregory Maxwell is to Bitcoin, saying there are plenty of other coders who could do crypto and networking, and "he drives away more talent than he can attract." Plus, he has a 10-year record of damaging open-source projects, going back to Wikipedia in 2006.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4klqtg/people_are_starting_to_realize_how_toxic_gregory/\">https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4klqtg/people_are_starting_to_realize_how_toxic_gregory/\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003chr/>\n\n\u003cblockquote>\n\u003cp>The day when the Bitcoin community realizes that Greg Maxwell and Core/Blockstream are the main thing holding us back (due to their dictatorship and censorship - and also due to being trapped in the procedural paradigm) - that will be the day when Bitcoin will start growing and prospering again.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4q95ri/the_day_when_the_bitcoin_community_realizes_that/\">https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4q95ri/the_day_when_the_bitcoin_community_realizes_that/\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003chr/>\n\n\u003cblockquote>\n\u003cp>Greg Maxwell used to have intelligent, nuanced opinions about "max blocksize", until he started getting paid by AXA, whose CEO is head of the Bilderberg Group - the legacy financial elite which Bitcoin aims to disintermediate. Greg always refuses to address this massive conflict of interest. Why?\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4mlo0z/greg_maxwell_used_to_have_intelligent_nuanced/\">https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4mlo0z/greg_maxwell_used_to_have_intelligent_nuanced/\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003chr/>\n\n\u003cblockquote>\n\u003cp>GMaxwell in 2006, during his Wikipedia vandalism episode: "I feel great because I can still do what I want, and I don't have to worry what rude jerks think about me ... I can continue to do whatever I think is right without the burden of explaining myself to a shreaking [sic] mass of people."\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/459iyw/gmaxwell_in_2006_during_his_wikipedia_vandalism/\">https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/459iyw/gmaxwell_in_2006_during_his_wikipedia_vandalism/\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003chr/>\n\n\u003cblockquote>\n\u003cp>Blockstream is "just another shitty startup. A 30-second review of their business plan makes it obvious that LN was never going to happen. Due to elasticity of demand, users either go to another coin, or don't use crypto at all. There is no demand for degraded 'off-chain' services." ~ \u003ca href=\"/u/jeanduluoz\">u/jeanduluoz\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/59hcvr/blockstream_is_just_another_shitty_startup_a/\">https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/59hcvr/blockstream_is_just_another_shitty_startup_a/\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003chr/>\n\n\u003cblockquote>\n\u003cp>Core/Blockstream's artificially tiny 1 MB "max blocksize" is now causing major delays on the network. Users (senders & receivers) are able to transact, miners are losing income, and holders will lose money if this kills the rally. This whole mess was avoidable and it's all Core/Blockstream's fault.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/59epa0/coreblockstreams_artificially_tiny_1_mb_max/\">https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/59epa0/coreblockstreams_artificially_tiny_1_mb_max/\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003chr/>\n\n\u003cblockquote>\n\u003cp>Why did Blockstream CTO \u003ca href=\"/u/nullc\">u/nullc\u003c/a> Greg Maxwell risk being exposed as a fraud, by lying about basic math? He tried to convince people that Bitcoin does \u003cem>not\u003c/em> obey Metcalfe's Law (claiming that Bitcoin price & volume are \u003cem>not\u003c/em> correlated, when they obviously \u003cem>are\u003c/em>). Why is \u003cem>this\u003c/em> lie so precious to him?\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\n\u003cp>\u003ca href=\"https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/57dsgz/why_did_blockstream_cto_unullc_greg_maxwell_risk/\">https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/57dsgz/why_did_blockstream_cto_unullc_greg_maxwell_risk/\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\n\u003chr/>\n\n\u003cblockquote>\n\u003cp>Adam Back & Greg Maxwell are experts in mathematics and engineering, but not in markets and economics. They should not be in charge of "central planning" for things like "max blocksize". They're desperately attempting to prevent the market from deciding on this. 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On commissions, I earn 5,000-10,000 sats per day. It’s $0.4-$0.8. It’s $20 [a] month maximum,” he said. He is incurring losses for the service he provides, not just in locked liquidity, but in having to pay far higher on-chain fees than what he charges for LN transactions/liquidity, so stating: “Opening of the channels (closing-opening again) I spent, probably, more than one thousand dollars. Therefore, no earnings now.” The “samaritan” runs 1,800 channels between his nodes with each channel having a capacity of 0.16, translating to 336.38891179 bitcoin as of 18th of August. That’s about 40% of the entire network capacity of circa ₿800, falling over the past few months as he gets rid of inactive channels. I will close OLD (>=80 days) NOT USED OFFLINE channels (force-closing).Released bitcoins will serve the free inbound channel service of LNBIG ;-). #LightningNetwork will drop to 900 BTC 🙁 — ⚡️LNBIG⚡️ (@lnbig_com) July 16, 2019There were some 1,080 bitcoin on LN as of April. Now it’s at about ₿830 with the decrease mainly, if not solely, due to LNBIG. “LNBIG is closing unused PUBLIC channels and re-allocating funds to PRIVATE (mobile) channels. This will lead to 1ml.com and other LN explorers to report in drop of liquidity,” supporters say. LNBIG himself says he faces a dilemma. “When you open a lot of channels – everyone scolds you that you are capturing the network. When you close – there are also concerns.” This person or entity apparently has channels opened with all LN users, so extending liquidity to allow them to actually be able to use LN. If you’re not aware, as Adam Back of Blockstream says, LN can be seen as sort of tabs. Your card for some reason suddenly doesn’t work at your local shop, so you tell the shopkeeper you’ll pay him the 100 satoshis tomorrow. The shopkeeper writes this down: Trustnodes owes 100 sats. Now he goes to the supplier and says this paper entitles you to 100 sats. The supplier then does the same with the farmer. This 100 sats is already locked in the system, but for it to move we need “free” 100 sats, an amount that is not owed to anyone. Thus this “free” sats sort of is the paper. LNBIG is in the business of “creating” this paper to facilitate the revolvement of “tabs” so that you can make the IoU payment to the shopkeeper. In other words, it is 100% reserve banking. To make that full on reserve work, you need for simplicity let’s say 200% collaterals. So 1 bitcoin is “free” and acts as the “paper” for the 1 locked bitcoin which can’t move until eventual onchain settlement. This collateralization requirement is the main non-political criticism of LN with Emin Gün Sirer of Cornell stating last year that the Lightning Network is “economically broken.” “Suppose somebody could receive up to $10,000 from Coinbase, and Coinbase has, I don’t know, ten million users. So ten million times $10,000, erm $10 billion… $100 billion dollars get’s tied up? Is that right?” – he said. The other problem appears to be that the fees one charges for an LN transaction seem to be far off from covering the cost of on-chain fees. That’s perhaps because LNBIG is undercharging in this case. At 300 transactions a day, at a cost of 10 cent per transaction, you can get to $900 a month, so just about covering his on-chain fees. On-chain fees, however, during this period were not far off from 10 cent themself, perhaps even less. So even in a pure comparison, it may be the case Lightning Network transactions have to be as expensive as on-chain transactions. Then you add the cost of securing these nodes and channels, of running the system, the opportunity costs in regards to potential price movements or simple other investments and use cases, and really you suddenly have to wonder whether LN transactions are actually cheaper or are instead more expensive than simple bitcoin transactions. For now the network is very small with just $8 million worth of bitcoin in total capacity, but as it grows, conceptually you’d think the costs would grow too. Certainly the opportunity costs, but that might actually be secondary to pure costs in as far as the more users and the more channels, the more on-chain transactions, thus the higher fees, to the point where for it to be profitable LN transactions might have to cost as much as on-chain transactions or more. The political criticism in this case is obviously centralization. This one guy can crash LN and can make it unusable. For now that might not matter because pretty much no one uses the Lightning Network, but if it is being used and it suddenly goes down because one guy with much of liquidity closes channels, then this could be reflected on price. You can say they’d have no interest in doing so, but mischievousness can be less of a concern than potential hacking of the point of failure. Yet quite interestingly all of the aspects appear to be more of a distant concern because here there seems to be a pretty fundamental question of whether LN transactions can actually be cheaper than on-chain transactions on an apples to apples comparison due to the constrain of collaterals. Thus even if one ignores opportunity costs and so on, it appears to be a bit unclear as of now whether the settlement maths does actually work out when we account for collateralization. As it stands, it seems it doesn’t. Whether that will change, remains to be seen. Copyrights Trustnodes.com","html":"\u003cp>Some person or group that goes by the name of LNBIG and runs close to half of the entire Lightning Network (LN) has stated he makes less than a dollar a day for the privilege of locking millions worth of bitcoins.\u003c/p> \u003cp>“I have 200-300 transactions through all nodes a day, rarely 600. On commissions, I earn 5,000-10,000 sats per day. It’s $0.4-$0.8. It’s $20 [a] month maximum,” he said.\u003c/p> \u003cp>He is incurring losses for the service he provides, not just in locked liquidity, but in having to pay far higher on-chain fees than what he charges for LN transactions/liquidity, so stating:\u003c/p> \u003cp>“Opening of the channels (closing-opening again) I spent, probably, more than one thousand dollars. Therefore, no earnings now.”\u003c/p>\u003cdiv>\u003cdiv>\u003c/div>\u003c/div> \u003cp>The “samaritan” runs 1,800 channels between his nodes with each channel having a capacity of 0.16, translating to 336.38891179 bitcoin as of 18th of August.\u003c/p>\u003cdiv>\u003cdiv>\u003c/div>\u003c/div> \u003cdiv>\u003cdiv>\u003c/div>\u003c/div> \u003cp>That’s about 40% of the entire network capacity of circa ₿800, falling over the past few months as he gets rid of inactive channels.\u003c/p> \u003cfigure class=\"wp-block-embed-twitter wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter\">\u003cdiv>\u003cblockquote>\u003cp>I will close OLD (>=80 days) NOT USED OFFLINE channels (force-closing).Released bitcoins will serve the free inbound channel service of LNBIG ;-). \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/hashtag/LightningNetwork?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">\u003cspan class=\"bloat\">#LightningNetwork\u003c/span>\u003c/a> will drop to 900 BTC 🙁\u003c/p> — ⚡️LNBIG⚡️ (@lnbig_com) \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/lnbig_com/status/1151089902009880576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">July 16, 2019\u003c/a>\u003c/blockquote>\u003c/div>\u003c/figure>\u003cp>There were some 1,080 bitcoin on LN as of April. Now it’s at about ₿830 with the decrease mainly, if not solely, due to LNBIG.\u003c/p> \u003cp>“LNBIG is closing unused PUBLIC channels and re-allocating funds to PRIVATE (mobile) channels. This will lead to 1ml.com and other LN explorers to report in drop of liquidity,” supporters \u003ca href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/cln97o/debunking_of_recent_ln_capacity_drop_fud/\">say\u003c/a>.\u003c/p> \u003cp>LNBIG himself \u003ca href=\"https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/bxh0ny/lightning_network_capacity_takes_a_sudden_dive/eq9t08l/\">says\u003c/a> he faces a dilemma. “When you open a lot of channels – everyone scolds you that you are capturing the network. When you close – there are also concerns.”\u003c/p> \u003cp>This person or entity apparently has channels opened with all LN users, so extending liquidity to allow them to actually be able to use LN.\u003c/p> \u003cp>If you’re not aware, as Adam Back of Blockstream says, LN can be seen as sort of tabs. Your card for some reason suddenly doesn’t work at your local shop, so you tell the shopkeeper you’ll pay him the 100 satoshis tomorrow.\u003c/p> \u003cp>The shopkeeper writes this down: Trustnodes owes 100 sats. Now he goes to the supplier and says this paper entitles you to 100 sats. The supplier then does the same with the farmer.\u003c/p> \u003cp>This 100 sats is already locked in the system, but for it to move we need “free” 100 sats, an amount that is not owed to anyone. Thus this “free” sats sort of is the paper.\u003c/p> \u003cp>LNBIG is in the business of “creating” this paper to facilitate the revolvement of “tabs” so that you can make the IoU payment to the shopkeeper.\u003c/p>\u003cdiv>\u003cdiv>\u003c/div>\u003c/div> \u003cp>In other words, it is 100% reserve banking. To make that full on reserve work, you need for simplicity let’s say 200% collaterals.\u003c/p> \u003cp>So 1 bitcoin is “free” and acts as the “paper” for the 1 locked bitcoin which can’t move until eventual onchain settlement.\u003c/p> \u003cp>This collateralization requirement is the main non-political criticism of LN with Emin Gün Sirer of Cornell stating last year that the Lightning Network is “\u003ca href=\"https://www.trustnodes.com/2018/03/26/lightning-network-economically-broken-says-emin-gun-sirer-%e2%80%8f\">economically broken\u003c/a>.”\u003c/p> \u003cp>“Suppose somebody could receive up to $10,000 from Coinbase, and Coinbase has, I don’t know, ten million users. So ten million times $10,000, erm $10 billion… $100 billion dollars get’s tied up? Is that right?” – he said.\u003c/p> \u003cp>The other problem appears to be that the fees one charges for an LN transaction seem to be far off from covering the cost of on-chain fees.\u003c/p> \u003cp>That’s perhaps because LNBIG is undercharging in this case. At 300 transactions a day, at a cost of 10 cent per transaction, you can get to $900 a month, so just about covering his on-chain fees.\u003c/p>\u003cdiv>\u003cdiv>\u003c/div>\u003c/div> \u003cp>On-chain fees, however, during this period were not far off from 10 cent themself, perhaps even less.\u003c/p> \u003cp>So even in a pure comparison, it may be the case Lightning Network transactions have to be as expensive as on-chain transactions. Then you add the cost of securing these nodes and channels, of running the system, the opportunity costs in regards to potential price movements or simple other investments and use cases, and really you suddenly have to wonder whether LN transactions are actually cheaper or are instead more expensive than simple bitcoin transactions.\u003c/p> \u003cp>For now the network is very small with just $8 million worth of bitcoin in total capacity, but as it grows, conceptually you’d think the costs would grow too.\u003c/p> \u003cp>Certainly the opportunity costs, but that might actually be secondary to pure costs in as far as the more users and the more channels, the more on-chain transactions, thus the higher fees, to the point where for it to be profitable LN transactions might have to cost as much as on-chain transactions or more.\u003c/p> \u003cp>The political criticism in this case is obviously centralization. This one guy can crash LN and can make it unusable. For now that might not matter because pretty much no one uses the Lightning Network, but if it is being used and it suddenly goes down because one guy with much of liquidity closes channels, then this could be reflected on price.\u003c/p> \u003cp>You can say they’d have no interest in doing so, but mischievousness can be less of a concern than potential hacking of the point of failure.\u003c/p> \u003cp>Yet quite interestingly all of the aspects appear to be more of a distant concern because here there seems to be a pretty fundamental question of whether LN transactions can actually be cheaper than on-chain transactions on an apples to apples comparison due to the constrain of collaterals.\u003c/p> \u003cdiv>\u003cdiv>\u003c/div>\u003c/div> \u003cp>Thus even if one ignores opportunity costs and so on, it appears to be a bit unclear as of now whether the settlement maths does actually work out when we account for collateralization.\u003c/p> \u003cp>As it stands, it seems it doesn’t. 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much did you initially put in to get your $280 reward?","replyTo":"1143715805529423875","totalUpvotes":619,"score":625,"nReplies":6,"type":"tweet","origin":"","__at":"2025-03-25T11:02:27.085Z","boosted":false,"safeId":"1154623739537035264","html":"How much did you initially put in to get your $280 reward?","icon":"twitter"},"1154705775610040320":{"original":{"full_text":"Given that \"it's inevitable that every industry tends towards monopoly and centralization\", why have restaurants not done that?","display_text_range":[0,127],"entities":{"user_mentions":[],"urls":[]},"source":"\u003ca href=\"https://mobile.twitter.com\" rel=\"nofollow\">Twitter Web App\u003c/a>","user":{"id_str":"295218901","name":"Vitalik Non-giver of Ether","screen_name":"VitalikButerin","location":"Earth","description":"See https://t.co/iBNSW4KCSO\n\nNot giving away ETH.\n\nFor inquiries about me advising your ICO, please email: 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link\n\nContributor\n\nPaulRBerg\n\ncommented\n\nJul 26, 2019\n\n•\n\nedited\n\neip: 2212\ntitle: ERC-2212 Interest Earning Stakes\nauthor: Paul Razvan Berg (@PaulRBerg) \u003cpaul@sablier.finance>\ndiscussions-to: https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/issues/2212\nstatus: Draft\ntype: Standards Track\ncategory: ERC\ncreated: 2019-07-26\nrequires: 20\n\nSimple Summary\nWe propose a new way to monetise decentralised apps that involves users staking tokens in exchange for a product or a service and creators earning interest on the pooled stakes through a continuous lending protocol such as Compound.\nAbstract\nThe advent of decentralised lending brought to the web3 ecosystem a new primitive for designing business models. We herein describe a smart contract interface that accepts deposits (\"stakes\") in ERC20 tokens. These deposits are immediately lent on the market to earn interest either for just the owner of the contract, or for both them and the user. We assume that users get access to a product or a service for as long as they keep staking tokens.\nMotivation\nWhile most web3 business models rely on paying a percentage fee on transfers, or committing to a monthly subscription, we aim to flip the model on its head. Users are their own banks now, so, instead of charging them, we make them stake tokens that can be claimed back, in full, at any point in time. We view this as a win-win-win scenario for users, dapp creators and lending protocols.\nIt is worth it to mention PoolTogether, a \"no-loss lottery\" that launched recently. It works by having participants deposit money in their contracts, locking it up for a while and earning interest through Compound. Ultimately, they choose a lucky winner and return the deposits back to all other players. PoolTogether takes a 10% commission on the prize.\nWe wrote this specification because interest earning stakes are a powerful financial instrument and a community-vetted standard and implementation will reduce the cost of replication.\nUse Cases\n\nSoftware products and services\nCharity pools\nGames\nGym memberships\n\nSpecification\nAssigning an owner is mandatory for this spec to make sense, thus we assume that a proper implementation would use a well-known contract such as OpenZeppelin's Ownable. For brevity, we haven't included any method for assigning or transferring ownership.\nMethods\nowner\nReturns the owner of the contract.\nfunction owner() external view returns (address);\nfee\nReturns the fee as a percentage value scaled by 1e18.\nfunction fee() external view returns (uint256);\nbalanceOf\nReturns the stake that consists of the initial deposit plus the interest accrued over time.\nSHOULD revert if staker doesn't have an active stake. SHOULD revert if tokenAddress doesn't match either the cToken or the underlying of the stake.\nfunction balanceOf(address staker, address tokenAddress) external view returns (uint256);\ndepositOf\nReturns the initial deposit.\nSHOULD revert if staker doesn't have an active stake. SHOULD revert if tokenAddress doesn't match either the cToken or the underlying of the stake.\nfunction depositOf(address staker, address tokenAddress) external view returns (uint256);\nwhitelistCToken\nWhitelists a cToken to automatically convert its underlying when deposited.\nMUST revert if msg.sender is not the owner.\nTriggers Event: WhitelistCToken\nfunction whitelistCToken(address cTokenAddress, address underlyingAddress) external;\ndiscardCToken\nDiscards a cToken that has been whitelisted before.\nMUST revert if msg.sender is not the owner.\nTriggers Event: DiscardCToken\nfunction discardCToken(address cTokenAddress) external\nresetAllowance\nResets the allowance granted to the cToken contract to spend from the underlying contract to the maximum value possible in the EVM.\nfunction resetAllowance(address cTokenAddress, address underlyingAddress);\nstake\nCreates a new stake object for msg.sender. Automatically converts an underlying to its cToken form so that the contract can earn interest.\nMUST revert if msg.sender already has an active stake. MUST revert if the cToken/ underlying pair has not been whitelisted.\nTriggers Event: Stake\nfunction stake(address tokenAddress, uint256 amount) external;\nredeem\nReturns the deposit plus any accrued interest to the staker and levies the fee for the owner.\nMUST revert if msg.sender is not the staker or the owner.\nTriggers Event: Redeem\nfunction redeem(address staker) external;\ntakeEarnings\nWithdraws the earnings accrued over time.\nMUST revert if msg.sender is not the owner.\nTriggers Event: TakeEarnings\nfunction takeEarnings(address tokenAddress, uint256 amount) external;\nupdateFee\nUpdates the fee practised by the contract. Has to be a percentage value scaled by 1e18. Can be anything between 0% and 100%.\nMUST revert if msg.sender is not the owner.\nTriggers Event: UpdateFee\nfunction updateFee(uint256 newFee) external;\n\nEvents\nWhitelistCToken\nMUST be triggered when whitelistCToken is successfully called.\nevent WhitelistCToken(address indexed cTokenAddress, address underlyingAddress);\nDiscardCToken\nMUST be triggered when discardCToken is successfully called.\nevent DiscardCToken(address indexed cTokenAddress);\nStake\nMUST be triggered when stake is successfully called.\nevent Stake(address indexed staker, address indexed cTokenAddress, address indexed underlyingAddress, bool converted, uint256 cTokenDeposit, uint256 exchangeRate);\nRedeem\nMUST be triggered when redeem is successfully called.\nevent Redeem(address indexed staker, address indexed cTokenAddress, address indexed underlyingAddress, uint256 cTokenFee, uint256 cTokenWithdrawal, uint256 exchangeRate);\nTakeEarnings\nMUST be triggered when takeEarnings is successfully called.\nevent TakeEarnings(address indexed tokenAddress, uint256 indexed amount);\nUpdateFee\nMUST be triggered when updateFee is successfully called.\nevent UpdateFee(uint256 indexed fee);\nRationale\nWe designed these interest earning stakes with simplicity in mind, but we acknowledge that there are some missing features and obvious concerns which we discuss below.\n\nMissing Features\nUpdate\nBy and large, this is the most prominent missing feature. Dapp creators might want to update their staking requirements and the only way to achieve that would be to ask users to redeem their previous stake and put in the new amount.\nWe assume that most apps don't need this and the spec as it is now is sufficient for running the very first experiments. Yet, time will tell best. We are looking forward to making updates if need be.\nParallel Staking\nLarge enterprises have multiple sources of revenue, hence switching to a business model based on staking would require a smart contract that accepts multiple stakes per user.\nHowever, the goal is to avoid writing an over-optimised standard. Parallel staking would require dapp creators to keep track of multiple stake ids, instead of only the user's account. Also, the user's interface would become more complex, as they would have to be aware of multiple stakes.\nBeyond Compound\nSome functions in the interface are highly specific to Compound, but the rationale behind that is simple. Compound is by far the best suited protocol for interest earning stakes. It is ultra-short term, which makes for frictionless business. We may update the interface when other continuous lending schemes, such as the Dai Savings Rate, will scale significantly.\n\nConcerns\nLoan Defaults\nLending never comes without risks, so interest earning stakes are not a good fit for the ultra-sensitive business applications. That said, dapp creators have an incentive to monitor the market for borrowers that go under the collateral requirements and liquidate them. By doing so, they secure the network for their own users and also earn a fee in the process.\nFluctuating Rates\nThe market rates for lending stablecoins hovered around 10% in early 2019, but this is not a given. Dapp creators can accommodate this issue by asking for a stake that generates interest reasonably above what they deem as an acceptable revenue stream.\nRent-Seeking\nInterest earning stakes work best for products or services that are priced on time instead of quantity (imagine subscription-based SaaS). If a dapp is quota-based, its creators would be better off charging a fee on every transfer.\nImplementation\nHead to the Sablier organisation on GitHub for a WIP implementation.\nAdditional References\n\nThread on cTokens\nCompound Protocol\nPoolTogether\nPooled cDAI\nLending Proxy by Luciano Bertenasco\nWeb3 Revenue Primitives\n\nCopyright\nCopyright and related rights waived via CC0.\n@PaulRBerg and @sablierhq ✌️\n\nThe text was updated successfully, but these errors were encountered:\n\n👍\n 17\n m-tymchyk, nieldlr, razgraf, johnsBeharry, bgits, 409H, alvesjtiago, James-Sangalli, rleshner, JordanKatz, and 7 more reacted with thumbs up emoji\n 🎉\n 7\n Ro5s, dispalt, m-tymchyk, johnsBeharry, alvesjtiago, hayesgm, and rleshner reacted with hooray emoji\n ❤️\n 2\n hayesgm and akeem reacted with heart emoji\n\nAll reactions\n\n👍\n 17 reactions\n\n🎉\n 7 reactions\n\n❤️\n 2 reactions\n\nPaulRBerg\n\nchanged the title\nERC: Interest Earning Stakes\n\nERC-2212: Interest Earning Stakes\n\nJul 26, 2019\n\nCopy link\n\nbgits\n\ncommented\n\nJul 26, 2019\n\nI think it would be helpful to also have a standard for interacting with lending contracts. It seems compound, dYdX, etc can and should expose the same interfaces so that developers can easily integrate multiple lending market places.\n\nAll reactions\n\nSorry, something went wrong.\n\nCopy link\n\nContributor\n\nAuthor\n\nPaulRBerg\n\ncommented\n\nJul 26, 2019\n\n•\n\nedited\n\n@bgits Interesting, although hard to implement. These protocols have very different interfaces and collateral requirements.\n\nAll reactions\n\nSorry, something went wrong.\n\nCopy link\n\nbgits\n\ncommented\n\nJul 26, 2019\n\n@bgits Interesting, although hard to implement. These protocols have very different interfaces to collateral requirements.\n\nThe different interfaces are the problem having a standard would fix. Collateral requirements, term structure and all components that compose a loan can be standardized into an expected interface just like they are for the traditional debt markets regardless of the thousands of different companies issuing different debt types.\n\nAll reactions\n\nSorry, something went wrong.\n\nCopy link\n\nContributor\n\nAuthor\n\nPaulRBerg\n\ncommented\n\nJul 26, 2019\n\n•\n\nedited\n\nWhat I meant is that coordinating all teams is hard, specifically because trade-offs would have to be made. Something like InstaDApp where each protocol is abstracted in the backend may be much easier to develop.\n\nAll reactions\n\nSorry, something went wrong.\n\nCopy link\n\nhayesgm\n\ncommented\n\nJul 30, 2019\n\nBig fan of this spec and the power behind this idea, as we've already see in a number of live projects. This specification can really open up that ecosystem to a new set of apps and teams.\nI do agree with @bgits that the interface layer should probably be generic. That is, the interface for stake, redeem, takeEarnings, etc, should be as generic as possible so that a proper implementation could be backed by any protocol that is compatible with this spec. Then, the rest of the functions here (such as whitelistCToken) can be implementation details. Preferably, we can build a first-class implementation that integrates Compound, and then make sure the community has the resources to build further implementations.\nI'd love to see this spec move forward and become widely utilized. We're already seeing projects build in this direction, and thus this spec can help keep the community and implementations fully compatible.\n\n👍\n 4\n PaulRBerg, rleshner, AdvaithD, and ylv-io reacted with thumbs up emoji\n\nAll reactions\n\n👍\n 4 reactions\n\nSorry, something went wrong.\n\nCopy link\n\nContributor\n\nAuthor\n\nPaulRBerg\n\ncommented\n\nJul 30, 2019\n\n•\n\nedited\n\nHey @hayesgm happy to see you diving in!\nOh, absolutely, the standard should eventually become protocol agnostic. As mentioned in v1, I used Compound simply because it was easy to pick up. My take was that Barry suggested another ERC for accessing all lending protocols and I deemed that hard to accomplish. Sorry for any misunderstanding.\nI made this HackMD document for everyone to leave their thoughts on v2.\nWhat I did so far:\n\nRemove whitelistCToken, discardCToken and resetAllowance and their associated events\nReplace cTokenDeposit with deposit in the Stake event\nReplace cTokenFee with fee in the Redeem event\nReplace cTokenWithdrawal with withdrawal in the Redeem event\n\nAlso, the assumption is now that deposits and withdrawals are quantified in the underlying asset. That is, DAI instead of cDAI, because the former is the ubiquitous source of value (well, if you ask blockchain people).\nQuestions:\n\nI personally like \"stakes\" more than \"pools\", as you can make a pool out of a group of stakes, but the reverse is not logically possible. But others said \"Interest Earning Pools\" sounds better, so I'm kinda sitting on the fence. What do you think?\nShould there be a dead man's switch for withdrawing/ liquidating all stakes? That is, in case of a flash crash, the owner of the contract could call one method to redeem the underlying assets.\n\nAll reactions\n\nSorry, something went wrong.\n\nCopy link\n\nhayesgm\n\ncommented\n\nJul 30, 2019\n\nCool @PaulRBerg added some comments to the HackMD doc. This is coming along, for sure. In regards to your two questions:\n\nYeah-- personally, I think of this as, for example, \"Stake DAI to join the community\" or \"Stake USDC to donate\" or whatever use cases people come up with. Collectively, we should think of this as Group Staking over a variety of underlying assets (that is, beyond just Eth staking). Personally, \"Enter an Interest Earning Pool to join the community\" doesn't have the same ring.\nLiquidating each individual stake might be difficult code-wise. You could fully redeem this contract's balance from Compound and allow users to redeem directly from that balance. Holistically, though, I believe that users who stake this way are liable to any concerns in the underlying platform and adding this switch wouldn't truly insulate those users from those risks (plus, they could each redeem, themselves, in light of any concerns).\n\nAll reactions\n\nSorry, something went wrong.\n\nCopy link\n\nAdvaithD\n\ncommented\n\nJul 30, 2019\n\nThis is amazing! I think it plays well into ethos as well. Using compound would be a great way to test this as an experiment. However, if this spec was protocol agnostic - we would have higher liquidity and better earnings.\nThis could be used as a membership mechanism for any dapp - \"stake with us to get access, while we earn some interest off of your collateral\"\n\nAll reactions\n\nSorry, something went wrong.\n\nCopy link\n\nhayesgm\n\ncommented\n\nJul 30, 2019\n\nIn regards to agnostic, I believe the right implementation would be: many protocols will implement this same interface, however, each one would only implement staking via a single underlying lending protocol (e.g. Compound or dYdX). Different lending protocols have vastly different risk parameters, and it should be made clear to stakers ahead of time which protocol their funds are being staked to. The common interface, however, would make it easy to build common interfaces or second-layer solutions for interest-bearing protocol staking.\n\nAll reactions\n\nSorry, something went wrong.\n\nCopy link\n\nContributor\n\nAuthor\n\nPaulRBerg\n\ncommented\n\nJul 31, 2019\n\n•\n\nedited\n\nIn regards to your two questions:\n\nAwesome\nGotcha\n\nHey @AdvaithD glad to hear that! To follow up on Geoff's point: let's take an example of lending 100 DAI and two markets A and B which only allow up to 50 DAI each. Even if you may benefit from increased liquidity by lending on both A and B, you vastly *reduce* the security and significantly *increase* the overhead of the standard. Therefore, it is easier to cap the stake to 50 DAI, only lend on A and wait for the market to get larger.\n\nAll reactions\n\nSorry, something went wrong.\n\nCopy link\n\nMember\n\naxic\n\ncommented\n\nDec 18, 2019\n\n@PaulRBerg do you want to create a real EIP out of this (aka submit a PR)?\n\nAll reactions\n\nSorry, something went wrong.\n\nCopy link\n\nContributor\n\nAuthor\n\nPaulRBerg\n\ncommented\n\nDec 18, 2019\n\nHey @axic, thanks for the heads-up, will do. We're gonna set erc-1620 in stone soon and, when I make the PR for it, I'll make one for erc-2212 too.\n\nAll reactions\n\nSorry, something went wrong.\n\nPaulRBerg\n\nmentioned this issue\n\nDec 20, 2019\n\nAdd ERC-2212 markdown\n #2444\n\nClosed\n\nCopy link\n\nContributor\n\nAuthor\n\nPaulRBerg\n\ncommented\n\nSep 9, 2020\n\nAs per the latest discussions in #2444, I'm going to close this discussion about ERC-2212.\nThere are two main reasons for this:\n\nThe lack of a bespoke interface/ ERC for cTokens\nMe not having enough time to maintain, improve and promote this ERC\n\nAll reactions\n\nSorry, something went wrong.\n\nPaulRBerg\n\nclosed this as completed\n\nSep 9, 2020","html":"\u003cdiv>\n \u003cdiv class=\"TimelineItem pt-0 js-comment-container js-socket-channel js-updatable-content \" data-gid=\"MDU6SXNzdWU0NzMxMjkyMDA=\" data-url=\"/ethereum/EIPs/issues/2212/partials/body?issue=2212\" 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<paul@sablier.finance>\ndiscussions-to: https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/issues/2212\nstatus: Draft\ntype: Standards Track\ncategory: ERC\ncreated: 2019-07-26\nrequires: 20\n\u003c/code>\u003c/pre>\u003c/div>\n\u003ch2 dir=\"auto\">Simple Summary\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">We propose a new way to monetise decentralised apps that involves users staking tokens in exchange for a product or a service and creators earning interest on the pooled stakes through a continuous lending protocol such as \u003ca href=\"https://compound.finance\" rel=\"nofollow\">Compound\u003c/a>.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 dir=\"auto\">Abstract\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">The advent of decentralised lending brought to the web3 ecosystem a new primitive for designing business models. We herein describe a smart contract interface that accepts deposits (\"stakes\") in ERC20 tokens. These deposits are immediately lent on the market to earn interest either for just the owner of the contract, or for both them and the user. We assume that users get access to a product or a service for as long as they keep staking tokens.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 dir=\"auto\">Motivation\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">While most web3 business models rely on paying a percentage fee on transfers, or committing to a monthly subscription, we aim to flip the model on its head. Users are their own banks now, so, instead of charging them, we make them stake tokens that can be claimed back, in full, at any point in time. We view this as a win-win-win scenario for users, dapp creators and lending protocols.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">It is worth it to mention PoolTogether, a \"no-loss lottery\" that launched recently. It works by having participants deposit money in their contracts, locking it up for a while and earning interest through Compound. Ultimately, they choose a lucky winner and return the deposits back to all other players. PoolTogether takes a 10% commission on the prize.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">We wrote this specification because interest earning stakes are a powerful financial instrument and a community-vetted standard and implementation will reduce the cost of replication.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3 dir=\"auto\">Use Cases\u003c/h3>\n\u003cul dir=\"auto\">\n\u003cli>Software products and services\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Charity pools\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Games\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Gym memberships\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003ch2 dir=\"auto\">Specification\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">Assigning an owner is mandatory for this spec to make sense, thus we assume that a proper implementation would use a well-known contract such as OpenZeppelin's \u003ca href=\"https://github.com/OpenZeppelin/openzeppelin-contracts/blob/master/contracts/ownership/Ownable.sol\">Ownable\u003c/a>. For brevity, we haven't included any method for assigning or transferring ownership.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch3 dir=\"auto\">Methods\u003c/h3>\n\u003ch4 dir=\"auto\">owner\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">Returns the owner of the contract.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"highlight highlight-source-solidity notranslate position-relative overflow-auto\" dir=\"auto\" data-snippet-clipboard-copy-content=\"function owner() external view returns (address);\">\u003cpre class=\"notranslate\">\u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">function\u003cspan class=\"pl-en\"> owner\u003c/span>\u003c/span>() \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">external\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">view\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">returns\u003c/span> (\u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">address\u003c/span>);\u003c/pre>\u003c/div>\n\u003ch4 dir=\"auto\">fee\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">Returns the fee as a percentage value scaled by 1e18.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"highlight highlight-source-solidity notranslate position-relative overflow-auto\" dir=\"auto\" data-snippet-clipboard-copy-content=\"function fee() external view returns (uint256);\">\u003cpre class=\"notranslate\">\u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">function\u003cspan class=\"pl-en\"> fee\u003c/span>\u003c/span>() \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">external\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">view\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">returns\u003c/span> (\u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">uint256\u003c/span>);\u003c/pre>\u003c/div>\n\u003ch4 dir=\"auto\">balanceOf\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">Returns the stake that consists of the initial deposit plus the interest accrued over time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">SHOULD revert if \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">staker\u003c/code> doesn't have an active stake. SHOULD revert if \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">tokenAddress\u003c/code> doesn't match either the cToken or the underlying of the stake.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"highlight highlight-source-solidity notranslate position-relative overflow-auto\" dir=\"auto\" data-snippet-clipboard-copy-content=\"function balanceOf(address staker, address tokenAddress) external view returns (uint256);\">\u003cpre class=\"notranslate\">\u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">function\u003cspan class=\"pl-en\"> balanceOf\u003c/span>\u003c/span>(\u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">address\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">staker\u003c/span>, \u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">address\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">tokenAddress\u003c/span>) \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">external\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">view\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">returns\u003c/span> (\u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">uint256\u003c/span>);\u003c/pre>\u003c/div>\n\u003ch4 dir=\"auto\">depositOf\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">Returns the initial deposit.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">SHOULD revert if \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">staker\u003c/code> doesn't have an active stake. SHOULD revert if \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">tokenAddress\u003c/code> doesn't match either the cToken or the underlying of the stake.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"highlight highlight-source-solidity notranslate position-relative overflow-auto\" dir=\"auto\" data-snippet-clipboard-copy-content=\"function depositOf(address staker, address tokenAddress) external view returns (uint256);\">\u003cpre class=\"notranslate\">\u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">function\u003cspan class=\"pl-en\"> depositOf\u003c/span>\u003c/span>(\u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">address\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">staker\u003c/span>, \u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">address\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">tokenAddress\u003c/span>) \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">external\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">view\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">returns\u003c/span> (\u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">uint256\u003c/span>);\u003c/pre>\u003c/div>\n\u003ch4 dir=\"auto\">whitelistCToken\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">Whitelists a cToken to automatically convert its underlying when deposited.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">MUST revert if \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">msg.sender\u003c/code> is not the owner.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">\u003cstrong>Triggers Event\u003c/strong>: \u003ca href=\"#whitelistctoken\">WhitelistCToken\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"highlight highlight-source-solidity notranslate position-relative overflow-auto\" dir=\"auto\" data-snippet-clipboard-copy-content=\"function whitelistCToken(address cTokenAddress, address underlyingAddress) external;\">\u003cpre class=\"notranslate\">\u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">function\u003cspan class=\"pl-en\"> whitelistCToken\u003c/span>\u003c/span>(\u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">address\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">cTokenAddress\u003c/span>, \u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">address\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">underlyingAddress\u003c/span>) \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">external\u003c/span>;\u003c/pre>\u003c/div>\n\u003ch4 dir=\"auto\">discardCToken\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">Discards a cToken that has been whitelisted before.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">MUST revert if \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">msg.sender\u003c/code> is not the owner.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">\u003cstrong>Triggers Event\u003c/strong>: \u003ca href=\"#discardctoken\">DiscardCToken\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"highlight highlight-source-solidity notranslate position-relative overflow-auto\" dir=\"auto\" data-snippet-clipboard-copy-content=\"function discardCToken(address cTokenAddress) external\">\u003cpre class=\"notranslate\">\u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">function\u003cspan class=\"pl-en\"> discardCToken\u003c/span>\u003c/span>(\u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">address\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">cTokenAddress\u003c/span>) \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">external\u003c/span>\u003c/pre>\u003c/div>\n\u003ch4 dir=\"auto\">resetAllowance\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">Resets the allowance granted to the cToken contract to spend from the underlying contract to the maximum value possible in the EVM.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"highlight highlight-source-solidity notranslate position-relative overflow-auto\" dir=\"auto\" data-snippet-clipboard-copy-content=\"function resetAllowance(address cTokenAddress, address underlyingAddress);\">\u003cpre class=\"notranslate\">\u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">function\u003cspan class=\"pl-en\"> resetAllowance\u003c/span>\u003c/span>(\u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">address\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">cTokenAddress\u003c/span>, \u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">address\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">underlyingAddress\u003c/span>);\u003c/pre>\u003c/div>\n\u003ch4 dir=\"auto\">stake\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">Creates a new stake object for \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">msg.sender\u003c/code>. Automatically converts an underlying to its cToken form so that the contract can earn interest.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">MUST revert if \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">msg.sender\u003c/code> already has an active stake. MUST revert if the cToken/ underlying pair has not been whitelisted.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">\u003cstrong>Triggers Event\u003c/strong>: \u003ca href=\"#stake\">Stake\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"highlight highlight-source-solidity notranslate position-relative overflow-auto\" dir=\"auto\" data-snippet-clipboard-copy-content=\"function stake(address tokenAddress, uint256 amount) external;\">\u003cpre class=\"notranslate\">\u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">function\u003cspan class=\"pl-en\"> stake\u003c/span>\u003c/span>(\u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">address\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">tokenAddress\u003c/span>, \u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">uint256\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">amount\u003c/span>) \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">external\u003c/span>;\u003c/pre>\u003c/div>\n\u003ch4 dir=\"auto\">redeem\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">Returns the deposit plus any accrued interest to the staker and levies the fee for the \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">owner\u003c/code>.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">MUST revert if \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">msg.sender\u003c/code> is not the staker or the owner.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">\u003cstrong>Triggers Event\u003c/strong>: \u003ca href=\"#redeem\">Redeem\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"highlight highlight-source-solidity notranslate position-relative overflow-auto\" dir=\"auto\" data-snippet-clipboard-copy-content=\"function redeem(address staker) external;\">\u003cpre class=\"notranslate\">\u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">function\u003cspan class=\"pl-en\"> redeem\u003c/span>\u003c/span>(\u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">address\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">staker\u003c/span>) \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">external\u003c/span>;\u003c/pre>\u003c/div>\n\u003ch4 dir=\"auto\">takeEarnings\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">Withdraws the earnings accrued over time.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">MUST revert if \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">msg.sender\u003c/code> is not the owner.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">\u003cstrong>Triggers Event\u003c/strong>: \u003ca href=\"#takeearnings\">TakeEarnings\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"highlight highlight-source-solidity notranslate position-relative overflow-auto\" dir=\"auto\" data-snippet-clipboard-copy-content=\"function takeEarnings(address tokenAddress, uint256 amount) external;\">\u003cpre class=\"notranslate\">\u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">function\u003cspan class=\"pl-en\"> takeEarnings\u003c/span>\u003c/span>(\u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">address\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">tokenAddress\u003c/span>, \u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">uint256\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">amount\u003c/span>) \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">external\u003c/span>;\u003c/pre>\u003c/div>\n\u003ch4 dir=\"auto\">updateFee\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">Updates the fee practised by the contract. Has to be a percentage value scaled by 1e18. Can be anything between 0% and 100%.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">MUST revert if \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">msg.sender\u003c/code> is not the owner.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">\u003cstrong>Triggers Event\u003c/strong>: \u003ca href=\"#updatefee\">UpdateFee\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"highlight highlight-source-solidity notranslate position-relative overflow-auto\" dir=\"auto\" data-snippet-clipboard-copy-content=\"function updateFee(uint256 newFee) external;\">\u003cpre class=\"notranslate\">\u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">function\u003cspan class=\"pl-en\"> updateFee\u003c/span>\u003c/span>(\u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">uint256\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">newFee\u003c/span>) \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">external\u003c/span>;\u003c/pre>\u003c/div>\n\u003chr>\n\u003ch3 dir=\"auto\">Events\u003c/h3>\n\u003ch4 dir=\"auto\">WhitelistCToken\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">MUST be triggered when \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">whitelistCToken\u003c/code> is successfully called.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"highlight highlight-source-solidity notranslate position-relative overflow-auto\" dir=\"auto\" data-snippet-clipboard-copy-content=\"event WhitelistCToken(address indexed cTokenAddress, address underlyingAddress);\">\u003cpre class=\"notranslate\">\u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">event \u003cspan class=\"pl-en\">WhitelistCToken\u003c/span>\u003c/span>(\u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">address\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">indexed\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">cTokenAddress\u003c/span>, \u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">address\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">underlyingAddress\u003c/span>);\u003c/pre>\u003c/div>\n\u003ch4 dir=\"auto\">DiscardCToken\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">MUST be triggered when \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">discardCToken\u003c/code> is successfully called.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"highlight highlight-source-solidity notranslate position-relative overflow-auto\" dir=\"auto\" data-snippet-clipboard-copy-content=\"event DiscardCToken(address indexed cTokenAddress);\">\u003cpre class=\"notranslate\">\u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">event \u003cspan class=\"pl-en\">DiscardCToken\u003c/span>\u003c/span>(\u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">address\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">indexed\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">cTokenAddress\u003c/span>);\u003c/pre>\u003c/div>\n\u003ch4 dir=\"auto\">Stake\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">MUST be triggered when \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">stake\u003c/code> is successfully called.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"highlight highlight-source-solidity notranslate position-relative overflow-auto\" dir=\"auto\" data-snippet-clipboard-copy-content=\"event Stake(address indexed staker, address indexed cTokenAddress, address indexed underlyingAddress, bool converted, uint256 cTokenDeposit, uint256 exchangeRate);\">\u003cpre class=\"notranslate\">\u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">event \u003cspan class=\"pl-en\">Stake\u003c/span>\u003c/span>(\u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">address\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">indexed\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">staker\u003c/span>, \u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">address\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">indexed\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">cTokenAddress\u003c/span>, \u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">address\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">indexed\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">underlyingAddress\u003c/span>, \u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">bool\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">converted\u003c/span>, \u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">uint256\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">cTokenDeposit\u003c/span>, \u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">uint256\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">exchangeRate\u003c/span>);\u003c/pre>\u003c/div>\n\u003ch4 dir=\"auto\">Redeem\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">MUST be triggered when \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">redeem\u003c/code> is successfully called.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"highlight highlight-source-solidity notranslate position-relative overflow-auto\" dir=\"auto\" data-snippet-clipboard-copy-content=\"event Redeem(address indexed staker, address indexed cTokenAddress, address indexed underlyingAddress, uint256 cTokenFee, uint256 cTokenWithdrawal, uint256 exchangeRate);\">\u003cpre class=\"notranslate\">\u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">event \u003cspan class=\"pl-en\">Redeem\u003c/span>\u003c/span>(\u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">address\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">indexed\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">staker\u003c/span>, \u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">address\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">indexed\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">cTokenAddress\u003c/span>, \u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">address\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">indexed\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">underlyingAddress\u003c/span>, \u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">uint256\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">cTokenFee\u003c/span>, \u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">uint256\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">cTokenWithdrawal\u003c/span>, \u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">uint256\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">exchangeRate\u003c/span>);\u003c/pre>\u003c/div>\n\u003ch4 dir=\"auto\">TakeEarnings\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">MUST be triggered when \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">takeEarnings\u003c/code> is successfully called.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"highlight highlight-source-solidity notranslate position-relative overflow-auto\" dir=\"auto\" data-snippet-clipboard-copy-content=\"event TakeEarnings(address indexed tokenAddress, uint256 indexed amount);\">\u003cpre class=\"notranslate\">\u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">event \u003cspan class=\"pl-en\">TakeEarnings\u003c/span>\u003c/span>(\u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">address\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">indexed\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">tokenAddress\u003c/span>, \u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">uint256\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">indexed\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">amount\u003c/span>);\u003c/pre>\u003c/div>\n\u003ch4 dir=\"auto\">UpdateFee\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">MUST be triggered when \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">updateFee\u003c/code> is successfully called.\u003c/p>\n\u003cdiv class=\"highlight highlight-source-solidity notranslate position-relative overflow-auto\" dir=\"auto\" data-snippet-clipboard-copy-content=\"event UpdateFee(uint256 indexed fee);\">\u003cpre class=\"notranslate\">\u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">event \u003cspan class=\"pl-en\">UpdateFee\u003c/span>\u003c/span>(\u003cspan class=\"pl-c1\">uint256\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-k\">indexed\u003c/span> \u003cspan class=\"pl-v\">fee\u003c/span>);\u003c/pre>\u003c/div>\n\u003ch2 dir=\"auto\">Rationale\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">We designed these interest earning stakes with simplicity in mind, but we acknowledge that there are some missing features and obvious concerns which we discuss below.\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003ch3 dir=\"auto\">Missing Features\u003c/h3>\n\u003ch4 dir=\"auto\">Update\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">By and large, this is the most prominent missing feature. Dapp creators might want to update their staking requirements and the only way to achieve that would be to ask users to redeem their previous stake and put in the new amount.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">We assume that most apps don't need this and the spec as it is now is sufficient for running the very first experiments. Yet, time will tell best. We are looking forward to making updates if need be.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch4 dir=\"auto\">Parallel Staking\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">Large enterprises have multiple sources of revenue, hence switching to a business model based on staking would require a smart contract that accepts multiple stakes per user.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">However, the goal is to avoid writing an over-optimised standard. Parallel staking would require dapp creators to keep track of multiple stake ids, instead of only the user's account. Also, the user's interface would become more complex, as they would have to be aware of multiple stakes.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch4 dir=\"auto\">Beyond Compound\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">Some functions in the interface are highly specific to Compound, but the rationale behind that is simple. Compound is by far the best suited protocol for interest earning stakes. It is ultra-short term, which makes for frictionless business. We may update the interface when other continuous lending schemes, such as the Dai Savings Rate, will scale significantly.\u003c/p>\n\u003chr>\n\u003ch3 dir=\"auto\">Concerns\u003c/h3>\n\u003ch4 dir=\"auto\">Loan Defaults\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">Lending never comes without risks, so interest earning stakes are not a good fit for the ultra-sensitive business applications. That said, dapp creators have an incentive to monitor the market for borrowers that go under the collateral requirements and liquidate them. By doing so, they secure the network for their own users and also earn a fee in the process.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch4 dir=\"auto\">Fluctuating Rates\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">The market rates for lending stablecoins hovered around 10% in early 2019, but this is not a given. Dapp creators can accommodate this issue by asking for a stake that generates interest reasonably above what they deem as an acceptable revenue stream.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch4 dir=\"auto\">Rent-Seeking\u003c/h4>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">Interest earning stakes work best for products or services that are priced on time instead of quantity (imagine subscription-based SaaS). If a dapp is quota-based, its creators would be better off charging a fee on every transfer.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 dir=\"auto\">Implementation\u003c/h2>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">\u003ca href=\"https://github.com/sablierhq/erc2212\">Head to the Sablier organisation on GitHub\u003c/a> for a WIP implementation.\u003c/p>\n\u003ch2 dir=\"auto\">Additional References\u003c/h2>\n\u003cul dir=\"auto\">\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/PaulRBerg/status/1147980107740524544\" rel=\"nofollow\">Thread on cTokens\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://github.com/compound-finance/compound-protocol\">Compound Protocol\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://pooltogether.us\" rel=\"nofollow\">PoolTogether\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://github.com/ZeframLou/pooled-cdai\">Pooled cDAI\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca href=\"https://github.com/lbertenasco/lending-proxy\">Lending Proxy by Luciano Bertenasco\u003c/a>\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>\u003ca 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\u003c/strong>\n\n \n\n commented\n\n\n \u003ca href=\"#issuecomment-515436762\" id=\"issuecomment-515436762-permalink\" class=\"Link--secondary js-timestamp\">\u003crelative-time datetime=\"2019-07-26T12:46:38Z\" class=\"no-wrap\">Jul 26, 2019\u003c/relative-time>\u003c/a>\n\n\n \n \u003c/div>\n\n \u003c/h3>\n\u003c/div>\n\n\n \u003cdiv class=\"edit-comment-hide\">\n\n \u003ctask-lists disabled=\"\" sortable=\"\">\n\u003ctable class=\"d-block user-select-contain\" data-paste-markdown-skip=\"\">\n \u003ctbody class=\"d-block\">\n \u003ctr class=\"d-block\">\n \u003ctd class=\"d-block comment-body markdown-body js-comment-body\">\n \u003cp dir=\"auto\">I think it would be helpful to also have a standard for interacting with lending contracts. 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These protocols have very different interfaces to collateral requirements.\u003c/p>\n\u003c/blockquote>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">The different interfaces are the problem having a standard would fix. 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This specification can really open up that ecosystem to a new set of apps and teams.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">I do agree with \u003ca class=\"user-mention notranslate\" data-hovercard-type=\"user\" data-hovercard-url=\"/users/bgits/hovercard\" data-octo-click=\"hovercard-link-click\" data-octo-dimensions=\"link_type:self\" href=\"https://github.com/bgits\">\u003cspan class=\"bloat\">@bgits\u003c/span>\u003c/a> that the interface layer should probably be generic. That is, the interface for \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">stake\u003c/code>, \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">redeem\u003c/code>, \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">takeEarnings\u003c/code>, etc, should be as generic as possible so that a proper implementation could be backed by \u003cstrong>any\u003c/strong> protocol that is compatible with this spec. Then, the rest of the functions here (such as \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">whitelistCToken\u003c/code>) can be implementation details. Preferably, we can build a first-class implementation that integrates Compound, and then make sure the community has the resources to build further implementations.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">I'd love to see this spec move forward and become widely utilized. 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\u003c/div>\n\n \u003c/h3>\n\u003c/div>\n\n\n \u003cdiv class=\"edit-comment-hide\">\n\n \u003ctask-lists disabled=\"\" sortable=\"\">\n\u003ctable class=\"d-block user-select-contain\" data-paste-markdown-skip=\"\">\n \u003ctbody class=\"d-block\">\n \u003ctr class=\"d-block\">\n \u003ctd class=\"d-block comment-body markdown-body js-comment-body\">\n \u003cp dir=\"auto\">Hey \u003ca class=\"user-mention notranslate\" data-hovercard-type=\"user\" data-hovercard-url=\"/users/hayesgm/hovercard\" data-octo-click=\"hovercard-link-click\" data-octo-dimensions=\"link_type:self\" href=\"https://github.com/hayesgm\">\u003cspan class=\"bloat\">@hayesgm\u003c/span>\u003c/a> happy to see you diving in!\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">Oh, absolutely, the standard should eventually become protocol agnostic. As mentioned in v1, I used Compound simply because it was easy to pick up. My take was that Barry suggested another ERC for accessing all lending protocols and I deemed that hard to accomplish. Sorry for any misunderstanding.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">\u003ca href=\"https://hackmd.io/ZC7gCtksR0-sWi-VKmLonA\" rel=\"nofollow\">I made this HackMD document for everyone to leave their thoughts on v2.\u003c/a>\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">What I did so far:\u003c/p>\n\u003cul dir=\"auto\">\n\u003cli>Remove \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">whitelistCToken\u003c/code>, \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">discardCToken\u003c/code> and \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">resetAllowance\u003c/code> and their associated events\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Replace \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">cTokenDeposit\u003c/code> with \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">deposit\u003c/code> in the \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">Stake\u003c/code> event\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Replace \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">cTokenFee\u003c/code> with \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">fee\u003c/code> in the \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">Redeem\u003c/code> event\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Replace \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">cTokenWithdrawal\u003c/code> with \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">withdrawal\u003c/code> in the \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">Redeem\u003c/code> event\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ul>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">Also, the assumption is now that deposits and withdrawals are quantified in the underlying asset. 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\u003ca href=\"#issuecomment-516521340\" id=\"issuecomment-516521340-permalink\" class=\"Link--secondary js-timestamp\">\u003crelative-time datetime=\"2019-07-30T17:44:05Z\" class=\"no-wrap\">Jul 30, 2019\u003c/relative-time>\u003c/a>\n\n\n \n \u003c/div>\n\n \u003c/h3>\n\u003c/div>\n\n\n \u003cdiv class=\"edit-comment-hide\">\n\n \u003ctask-lists disabled=\"\" sortable=\"\">\n\u003ctable class=\"d-block user-select-contain\" data-paste-markdown-skip=\"\">\n \u003ctbody class=\"d-block\">\n \u003ctr class=\"d-block\">\n \u003ctd class=\"d-block comment-body markdown-body js-comment-body\">\n \u003cp dir=\"auto\">Cool \u003ca class=\"user-mention notranslate\" data-hovercard-type=\"user\" data-hovercard-url=\"/users/PaulRBerg/hovercard\" data-octo-click=\"hovercard-link-click\" data-octo-dimensions=\"link_type:self\" href=\"https://github.com/PaulRBerg\">\u003cspan class=\"bloat\">@PaulRBerg\u003c/span>\u003c/a> added some comments to the HackMD doc. This is coming along, for sure. In regards to your two questions:\u003c/p>\n\u003col dir=\"auto\">\n\u003cli>Yeah-- personally, I think of this as, for example, \"Stake DAI to join the community\" or \"Stake USDC to donate\" or whatever use cases people come up with. Collectively, we should think of this as Group Staking over a variety of underlying assets (that is, beyond just Eth staking). Personally, \"Enter an Interest Earning Pool to join the community\" doesn't have the same ring.\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Liquidating each individual stake might be difficult code-wise. You could fully \u003ccode class=\"notranslate\">redeem\u003c/code> this contract's balance from Compound and allow users to redeem directly from that balance. 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I think it plays well into ethos as well. Using compound would be a great way to test this as an experiment. However, if this spec was protocol agnostic - we would have higher liquidity and better earnings.\u003c/p>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">This could be used as a membership mechanism for any dapp - \"stake with us to get access, while we earn some interest off of your collateral\"\u003c/p>\n \u003c/td>\n \u003c/tr>\n \u003c/tbody>\n\u003c/table>\n\u003c/task-lists>\n\n\n \u003cdiv class=\"d-flex\">\n\n \u003cdiv class=\"pr-review-reactions\">\n \u003cdiv data-view-component=\"true\" class=\"comment-reactions js-reactions-container js-reaction-buttons-container social-reactions reactions-container flex-row-reverse flex-justify-end d-none\">\n \u003c!-- '\"` -->\u003c!-- \u003c/textarea>\u003c/xmp> -->\u003cform class=\"js-pick-reaction\" data-turbo=\"false\" action=\"/ethereum/EIPs/reactions\" accept-charset=\"UTF-8\" method=\"post\">\u003cinput type=\"hidden\" name=\"_method\" value=\"put\" autocomplete=\"off\">\u003cinput type=\"hidden\" name=\"authenticity_token\" 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data-octo-dimensions=\"link_type:self\" href=\"/hayesgm\">hayesgm\u003c/a>\n \n\n \u003c/strong>\n\n \n\n commented\n\n\n \u003ca href=\"#issuecomment-516548819\" id=\"issuecomment-516548819-permalink\" class=\"Link--secondary js-timestamp\">\u003crelative-time datetime=\"2019-07-30T18:56:06Z\" class=\"no-wrap\">Jul 30, 2019\u003c/relative-time>\u003c/a>\n\n\n \n \u003c/div>\n\n \u003c/h3>\n\u003c/div>\n\n\n \u003cdiv class=\"edit-comment-hide\">\n\n \u003ctask-lists disabled=\"\" sortable=\"\">\n\u003ctable class=\"d-block user-select-contain\" data-paste-markdown-skip=\"\">\n \u003ctbody class=\"d-block\">\n \u003ctr class=\"d-block\">\n \u003ctd class=\"d-block comment-body markdown-body js-comment-body\">\n \u003cp dir=\"auto\">In regards to agnostic, I believe the right implementation would be: many protocols will implement this same interface, however, each one would only implement staking via a \u003cstrong>single\u003c/strong> underlying lending protocol (e.g. Compound or dYdX). Different lending protocols have vastly different risk parameters, and it should be made clear to stakers ahead of time which protocol their funds are being staked to. The common interface, however, would make it easy to build common interfaces or second-layer solutions for interest-bearing protocol staking.\u003c/p>\n \u003c/td>\n \u003c/tr>\n \u003c/tbody>\n\u003c/table>\n\u003c/task-lists>\n\n\n \u003cdiv class=\"d-flex\">\n\n \u003cdiv class=\"pr-review-reactions\">\n \u003cdiv data-view-component=\"true\" class=\"comment-reactions js-reactions-container js-reaction-buttons-container social-reactions reactions-container flex-row-reverse flex-justify-end d-none\">\n \u003c!-- '\"` -->\u003c!-- \u003c/textarea>\u003c/xmp> -->\u003cform class=\"js-pick-reaction\" data-turbo=\"false\" action=\"/ethereum/EIPs/reactions\" accept-charset=\"UTF-8\" method=\"post\">\u003cinput type=\"hidden\" name=\"_method\" value=\"put\" autocomplete=\"off\">\u003cinput type=\"hidden\" name=\"authenticity_token\" value=\"kFKwkSCucGpA9Om-0JLqHq6dFfDK1KKi8Gxb385-0QICLL23i8kcAr2w6KgbTbj_cPgpLuNyCAvcBrzJ8HZnhg\" autocomplete=\"off\">\n \u003cinput type=\"hidden\" 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dir=\"auto\">\n\u003cli>Awesome\u003c/li>\n\u003cli>Gotcha\u003c/li>\n\u003c/ol>\n\u003cp dir=\"auto\">Hey \u003ca class=\"user-mention notranslate\" data-hovercard-type=\"user\" data-hovercard-url=\"/users/AdvaithD/hovercard\" data-octo-click=\"hovercard-link-click\" data-octo-dimensions=\"link_type:self\" href=\"https://github.com/AdvaithD\">\u003cspan class=\"bloat\">@AdvaithD\u003c/span>\u003c/a> glad to hear that! To follow up on Geoff's point: let's take an example of lending 100 DAI and two markets A and B which only allow up to 50 DAI each. Even if you may benefit from increased liquidity by lending on both A and B, you vastly *reduce* the security and significantly *increase* the overhead of the standard. 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#AllCoreDevs 97 (💯🔜!) starting in just over 30 minutes 😁\n\nAgenda: https://github.com/ethereum/pm/issues/211\nStream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5Q5WPdN1jk&feature=youtu.be\n\nEIP-1559 should be the first thing we discuss 🔥 Second picture shows what I specifically want to get answered. https://twitter.com/TimBeiko/status/1306980380344381440\n\t\t\t\n\nFirst up is my update on EIP-1559. I gave a quick summary of the work, and pointed folks to the update I wrote last week for more context. https://hackmd.io/@timbeiko/1559-update-001\n\t\t\t\n\nI then asked what type of objections people have to the EIP. \n\nThe first mentioned was the potential DoS risk introduced with the EIP. This hasn't gone away, and it's still worth considering. Because this relates to security, I'll follow up offline with various folks to discuss.\n\t\t\t\n\nAnother concern raised is the aim of the EIP is unclear: is it first a UX-thing? A gas-burn thing? A MEV-reorg protection thing? Answer is all of the above 😅, but I think there's work we can do to articulate that better.\n\t\t\t\n\nAside from that, @tkstanczak mentioned that the @nethermindeth implementation was simpler than expected 🥳\n\t\t\t\n\nFinally, we also brought up a few more implementation details, but it felt like the next 1559 call would be a better place to discuss them, so we'll do that then: https://github.com/ethereum/pm/issues/209\n\t\t\t\n\nNext up was an update on Account Abstraction and asking whether it should be considered for inclusion on the next network upgrade (EIP here: https://eips.ethereum.org/EIPS/eip-2938). No client team has enough context to make a decision, but it will be looked at over the next 2 weeks 👀\n\t\t\t\n\nMoving onto updates on YoloV2, the pre-Berlin ephemeral testnet:\n\nFor @nethermindeth, work is in progress. They have a few EIPs completed and are likely going to implement EIP-2929 next.\n\t\t\t\n\nThey are excited about EIP-2935 (https://eips.ethereum.org/EIPS/eip-2935), but it's unclear if there is desire from other teams to implement. \n\nEIP-2565 is the hardest for them to implement, because most benchmarks seem to be done on Geth.\n\t\t\t\n\n.@mhswende says 2565 was modified recently to take into account some of his concerns with the Geth implementation as well. \n\nHe says the new version has more stable benchmarks (for Geth) and a clearer spec for clients to implement.\n\t\t\t\n\nAfter a bit of confusion, the EIPs included in YoloV2 are EIP-2929, and the YoloV1 EIPs (2315 and 2537). There are a couple more that are almost ready (2935, 2565, 2718) and can be consider for YoloV3.\n\t\t\t\n\n.@tkstanczak says he's willing to champion EIP-2935 🥳 \n\nIt was authored by @VitalikButerin, who has competing priorities 😅.\n\t\t\t\n\n.@JHancock asks client teams what they think the next steps after YoloV2/V3 and how we get to public testnets?\n\t\t\t\n\n(Quick note, as part of the Yolo discussion, @mhswende shared some new testing tutorials that the EF has put out: https://ethereum-tests.readthedocs.io/en/latest/retesteth-tutorial.html)\n\t\t\t\n\nLots of conversations about the different EIPs and how they can be bundled in various testnets 😅 Worth watching the livestream for context, but I'll share the outcome once we reach one!\n\t\t\t\n\nOK, here it is! For YoloV1, we had EIP-2315 (subroutines), 2537 (BLS precompile);\nFor V2, we add EIP-2929 (gas cost increase for state accessing opcodes);\nFor V3, we'll add 2718 (typed transactions) + 2930 (optional access lists).\n\t\t\t\n\nFor EIP-2565 (ModExp precompile repricing), we'll make a decision about including it in the next ACD. For EIP-2935 ( Save historical block hashes in state), it won't be in a YOLO net for now.\n\t\t\t\n\n@_prestwich asked about EIP-2539, which was the companion curve to EIP-2537. It seems like it won't be part of YOLO or Berlin for now. James said Celo will stand up a testnet for it either way.\n\t\t\t\n\nThere was a conversation about EIP-2711 (sponsored transactions), which would help developers with Meta-Transactions. It won't make it into YoloV3, but there was extensive conversation about whether we can have an upgrade \"soon\" after Berlin to not make devs wait too long.\n\t\t\t\n\nHere's a spreadsheet by @EthCatHerders which summarizes all this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BomvS0hjc88eTfx1b8Ufa6KYS3vMEb2c8TQ5HJWx2lc/edit#gid=408811124\n\t\t\t\n\nNow, in a completely different direction, @lightclients asks what the status on Stateless Ethereum is, and how it can be pushed forward.\n\t\t\t\n\nHe's concerned that our current pace of progress on it means that we won't be able to get it done prior to Eth2 Phase 1.5, meaning Eth2 validators running the Eth1 shard would need to store the full Eth1 state, which isn't great 😕\n\t\t\t\n\nThere aren't any folks working directly on stateless on the call, but we'll try and have more on the next ones.\n\t\t\t\n\nBefore we close, @hudsonjameson says he's brainstorming ways to make the meetings better and keep ensuring that Ethereum continues to evolve. \n\nHe says if anyone has feedback for him or @JHancock, to reach out and let them know 😁\n\t\t\t\n\nAnd that's it for this call! Next call is, again, two weeks from now: Friday Oct 16, 14:00 UTC !","timely":true,"totalUpvotes":10765,"score":10877,"nReplies":24,"type":"tweet","origin":"","merged":true,"__at":"2025-03-25T11:09:43.452Z","boosted":false,"safeId":"1312021038130106370","html":".@ethereum \u003cspan class=\"bloat\">#AllCoreDevs\u003c/span> 97 (💯🔜!) starting in just over 30 minutes 😁\u003cbr>\u003cbr>Agenda: \u003ca href=\"https://github.com/ethereum/pm/issues/211\" title=\"https://github.com/ethereum/pm/issues/211\">github.com/ethe…\u003c/a>\u003cbr>Stream: \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5Q5WPdN1jk&feature=youtu.be\" title=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5Q5WPdN1jk&feature=youtu.be\">youtube.com/wat…\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\u003cbr>EIP-1559 should be the first thing we discuss 🔥 Second picture shows what I specifically want to get answered. \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/TimBeiko/status/1306980380344381440\" title=\"https://twitter.com/TimBeiko/status/1306980380344381440\">twitter.com/Tim…\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>First up is my update on EIP-1559. I gave a quick summary of the work, and pointed folks to the update I wrote last week for more context. \u003ca href=\"https://hackmd.io/@timbeiko/1559-update-001\" title=\"https://hackmd.io/@timbeiko/1559-update-001\">hackmd.io/@timb…\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>I then asked what type of objections people have to the EIP. \u003cbr>\u003cbr>The first mentioned was the potential DoS risk introduced with the EIP. This hasn't gone away, and it's still worth considering. Because this relates to security, I'll follow up offline with various folks to discuss.\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>Another concern raised is the aim of the EIP is unclear: is it first a UX-thing? A gas-burn thing? A MEV-reorg protection thing? Answer is all of the above 😅, but I think there's work we can do to articulate that better.\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>Aside from that, \u003cspan class=\"bloat\">@tkstanczak\u003c/span> mentioned that the \u003cspan class=\"bloat\">@nethermindeth\u003c/span> implementation was simpler than expected 🥳\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>Finally, we also brought up a few more implementation details, but it felt like the next 1559 call would be a better place to discuss them, so we'll do that then: \u003ca href=\"https://github.com/ethereum/pm/issues/209\" title=\"https://github.com/ethereum/pm/issues/209\">github.com/ethe…\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>Next up was an update on Account Abstraction and asking whether it should be considered for inclusion on the next network upgrade (EIP here: \u003ca href=\"https://eips.ethereum.org/EIPS/eip-2938).\" title=\"https://eips.ethereum.org/EIPS/eip-2938).\">eips.ethereum.o…\u003c/a> No client team has enough context to make a decision, but it will be looked at over the next 2 weeks 👀\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>Moving onto updates on YoloV2, the pre-Berlin ephemeral testnet:\u003cbr>\u003cbr>For \u003cspan class=\"bloat\">@nethermindeth\u003c/span>, work is in progress. They have a few EIPs completed and are likely going to implement EIP-2929 next.\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>They are excited about EIP-2935 (\u003ca href=\"https://eips.ethereum.org/EIPS/eip-2935),\" title=\"https://eips.ethereum.org/EIPS/eip-2935),\">eips.ethereum.o…\u003c/a> but it's unclear if there is desire from other teams to implement. \u003cbr>\u003cbr>EIP-2565 is the hardest for them to implement, because most benchmarks seem to be done on Geth.\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>.@mhswende says 2565 was modified recently to take into account some of his concerns with the Geth implementation as well. \u003cbr>\u003cbr>He says the new version has more stable benchmarks (for Geth) and a clearer spec for clients to implement.\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>After a bit of confusion, the EIPs included in YoloV2 are EIP-2929, and the YoloV1 EIPs (2315 and 2537). There are a couple more that are almost ready (2935, 2565, 2718) and can be consider for YoloV3.\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>.@tkstanczak says he's willing to champion EIP-2935 🥳 \u003cbr>\u003cbr>It was authored by \u003cspan class=\"bloat\">@VitalikButerin\u003c/span>, who has competing priorities 😅.\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>.@JHancock asks client teams what they think the next steps after YoloV2/V3 and how we get to public testnets?\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>(Quick note, as part of the Yolo discussion, \u003cspan class=\"bloat\">@mhswende\u003c/span> shared some new testing tutorials that the EF has put out: \u003ca href=\"https://ethereum-tests.readthedocs.io/en/latest/retesteth-tutorial.html)\" title=\"https://ethereum-tests.readthedocs.io/en/latest/retesteth-tutorial.html)\">ethereum-tests.…\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>Lots of conversations about the different EIPs and how they can be bundled in various testnets 😅 Worth watching the livestream for context, but I'll share the outcome once we reach one!\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>OK, here it is! For YoloV1, we had EIP-2315 (subroutines), 2537 (BLS precompile);\u003cbr>For V2, we add EIP-2929 (gas cost increase for state accessing opcodes);\u003cbr>For V3, we'll add 2718 (typed transactions) + 2930 (optional access lists).\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>For EIP-2565 (ModExp precompile repricing), we'll make a decision about including it in the next ACD. For EIP-2935 ( Save historical block hashes in state), it won't be in a YOLO net for now.\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>\u003cspan class=\"bloat\">@_prestwich\u003c/span> asked about EIP-2539, which was the companion curve to EIP-2537. It seems like it won't be part of YOLO or Berlin for now. James said Celo will stand up a testnet for it either way.\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>There was a conversation about EIP-2711 (sponsored transactions), which would help developers with Meta-Transactions. It won't make it into YoloV3, but there was extensive conversation about whether we can have an upgrade \"soon\" after Berlin to not make devs wait too long.\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>Here's a spreadsheet by \u003cspan class=\"bloat\">@EthCatHerders\u003c/span> which summarizes all this: \u003ca href=\"https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BomvS0hjc88eTfx1b8Ufa6KYS3vMEb2c8TQ5HJWx2lc/edit#gid=408811124\" title=\"https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BomvS0hjc88eTfx1b8Ufa6KYS3vMEb2c8TQ5HJWx2lc/edit#gid=408811124\">docs.google.com…\u003c/a>\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>Now, in a completely different direction, \u003cspan class=\"bloat\">@lightclients\u003c/span> asks what the status on Stateless Ethereum is, and how it can be pushed forward.\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>He's concerned that our current pace of progress on it means that we won't be able to get it done prior to Eth2 Phase 1.5, meaning Eth2 validators running the Eth1 shard would need to store the full Eth1 state, which isn't great 😕\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>There aren't any folks working directly on stateless on the call, but we'll try and have more on the next ones.\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>Before we close, \u003cspan class=\"bloat\">@hudsonjameson\u003c/span> says he's brainstorming ways to make the meetings better and keep ensuring that Ethereum continues to evolve. \u003cbr>\u003cbr>He says if anyone has feedback for him or \u003cspan class=\"bloat\">@JHancock\u003c/span>, to reach out and let them know 😁\u003cbr>\t\t\t\u003cbr>\u003cbr>And that's it for this call! 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